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Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 19:40

Parliament will reconvene tomorrow, at 11.30am, as if proroguation never happened as the Supreme Court ruled that the government acted outside the limits of its power and this was therefore unlawful.

The most senior court in the UK has ruled unaminously to defend Parliamentary Sovereignity and the Rule of British Law.

Unusually for a Wednesday there will be no PMQ, however there will be time for Ministerial Statements, UQ and Debate under S024.
See the abbreviation thread if you are struggling with these

So tomorrow is sure to be explosive on way or another.

The Government is hitting back by questioning the Supreme Court whilst also saying they respect the Supreme Court's authority. This is an oxymoron. Its being done for political reasons and is, in its own way, a direct threat to the Rule of Law.

Robert Buckland is, again, having to do a lot in Cabinet to assert the point of the importance of the Rule of Law and how it prevents mob rule. Something that seems to keep getting forgotten by anonymous No 10 sources.

The political fallout from the ruling is sure to lead to calls for the Supreme Court to be politically elected. This has been a long term goal of parts of the hard right.

Johnson, is currently in the US, so the announcement that parliament will be back tomorrow has rather spoilt his jolly to see his mate Donnie. He will have to get on a plane smartish.

But for all the hard talk there will also be ramifications for Johnson. Whilst there will be a lot of 'nothing has changed', and there is no chance of a VoNC in the HoC being tabled by the opposition whilst no deal is still on the table on the 31st Oct, there will still be problems for Johnson.

There will be a post mortem within his own party. The next Cabinet Meeting will almost certainly be explosive. There are already attempts to set Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General who apparently advised that proroguation was lawful, under the bus as the fall guy. This will perhaps be a deflection to try and protect Dominic Cummings, as there will be moderate Tories who will seek to use this as an opportunity to have him sacked. But more than this, its likely to result in other Cabinet Ministers being more forceful and to challenge Johnson more, both for their own political gain and for their own political protection. He will certainly be more questioned from within, about his poor judgement.

We also have him facing an investigation from the London Assembly over his conduct and suggestions of an inappropriate relationship with a busty blonde American woman.

Next weeks Conservative Party Conference is now in tatters. Whilst Corbyn has wrapped up the Labour Party Conference early to avoid a clash with Parliament being open, Johnson is stuffed. Next week's PMQ will clash with the schedule for his Party Speech. Normally parliament would be in recess for the conference season, but parliament has to vote to allow this. And there isn't a majority for the Conservatives to now be able to do this. So Parliament almost certainly will be sitting next week.

Unfortunately, the Tories are a little stuffed with their conference being held in Manchester. If (and lets face it, with the gloves off and time short) the opposition want to cause mischief, they will try and schedule crucial and embarassing debates during the party conference, to keep MPs stuck in Westminister as much as possible. And with good reason under the circumstances.

We still have the small matter of the 31st October deadline which Johnson is still sticking to saying we will either have a deal or we will leave without a deal - unlawfully.

Remember on that note, Johnson has already acted beyond his power and unlawfully on the basis of bad advice. Johnson being hulk, rather than a girly swat, relies on the advice of others more heavily than his own wisdom and experience - of which he has been exposed time and again - to be somewhat lacking in.

As a side note, its also worth reflecting on the NCA having dropped charges in relation to Leave.Eu and how the Electoral Commission has commented on this decision:
"We are concerned about the apparent weakness in the law, highlighted by this investigation outcome, which allows overseas funds into UK politics. We have made recommendations that would tighten the rules on campaign funding and deter breaches. We urge the UK's governments to act on those recommendations to support voter confidence"

In the context of an imminent General Election, this is really very concerning indeed.

Just WHO is in control? Cos it doesn't look like its Boris Johnson right now, thats for sure.

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tobee · 25/09/2019 22:37

Actually I think he's worse than Trump. Trump says terrible things but sometimes tries to ameliorate at a later date.

Can't see Johnson doing that. Especially as he's a lowdown, cornered, dirty rat.

TokyoSushi · 25/09/2019 22:38

My goodness this has all taken a really grim turn tonight, and the sad thing is we don't have the comfort of 'things will look brighter in the morning.'

They won't, if anything they'll be worse.

Random18 · 25/09/2019 22:40

flouncy I crossed the border. So now have a Tory MP instead of SNP Sad

flouncyfanny · 25/09/2019 22:41

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Songsofexperience · 25/09/2019 22:44

That splendid chap Bannon has turfed up in Brazil.

Bannon is a hound of hell.
A putrid waste.

DarkAtEndOfUk · 25/09/2019 22:45

@smilethoyourheartisbreaking I just created a thread in Feminist chat signposting people here, if you (or anyone) want to add to it. It's not a clever op, I'm a bit shocked at the moment. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3701668-Call-to-support-women-MPs-in-face-of-abuse-and-death-threats-to-family

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ContinuityError · 25/09/2019 22:51

there's been a murder

There are estate agents down south called Mansell McTaggert - every time we see one of their boards DH says (in his best Fife accent) “there’s been a murder”.

prettybird · 25/09/2019 22:51

My accent was always soft because my parents had South African accents when I was wee, then 6 years at a semi-English Uni (St Andrews Wink), followed by 9 years in England (Welwyn, Bolton and Beverley) meant my accent ended up being such a weird mix that people from NI thought I was from there Confused

Been back in Glasgow for 25 years - but still occasionally get suggestions of being (posh) Norn Irish Confused

Dusty01 · 25/09/2019 22:52

It is true that there was Brexit/Boris Johnson propaganda in a primary schools today. Our MP - Stella Creasy - did ask Boris in Parliament, this afternoon, whether it was government funded. He wouldn't reply and also didn't seem at all concerned that there might be political propaganda in UK schools.

The company that provides screens for schools all around the country had made a pro Boris/Brexit video that they'd put in between all the other usual healthy eating etc stuff that is shown on there. There is a photo of one of the pictures shown on Stella Creasy's twitter account.

Apparently 3000 schools across the country received the same video. If any of your children's schools have screens provided by a company called Anomaly keep an eye out for any Boris/Brexit propaganda and report it/send it to the Guardian or Stella Creasy, both of whom are investigating.

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 22:54

JRM smarming still, they are still going. Lucy Powell Labour MCR wants the Tory Conference to go ahead so that it helps the Manchester economy.
It's all a lot more civilised now, but the benches are thinning.

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tobee · 25/09/2019 22:58

Just looking at the front pages. The Sun says Johnson "flays" Corbyn. Further violent language.

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 22:59

Adjourning.

ContinuityError · 25/09/2019 23:02

In response to Johnson’s reply to Ian Murray MP:

Jo Maugham QC @JolyonMaugham

An action brought by @DaleVince and myself will remove from him all choice.

He, like all of us, will adhere to the will of the people enacted by their representatives in Parliament.

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 23:03

BJ is now on Peston on telly. That's why he walked out of HoC?
Is it live?

PerkingFaintly · 25/09/2019 23:05

Trumpian.

Don't bother talking to the democratically elected, sovereign, Parliament, who might hold you to account; go on media and appeal directly to The People™.

Violetparis · 25/09/2019 23:05

I wonder what Rachel Johnson is making of all of this, I hope that she together with her brother Jo are telling Boris what a disgrace he is. Clutching at straws in hoping he will listen to someone with some decency and sense.

prettybird · 25/09/2019 23:06

Sky describes BoZo as trying to taunt his opponents into going for a GE. He was blatant in it.

That's the word I'd been failing to find: he was indeed taunting - just like a playground bully. Trying to provoke a reaction so that he can then blame the other for starting the fight.

Beth Rigby: PM utterly unrepentant and then complaining about parliamentarians running to tell tales.

tobee · 25/09/2019 23:07

I see what Jo Maugham says but what does that actually mean?

RosinaAlmaviva · 25/09/2019 23:10

I thought BJ seemed flummoxed by the propaganda in schools question, like he didn't know about it. Has DC gone rogue? Not that I imagine BJ would disapprove if he did know, but he seemed genuinely taken aback.

His callous disregard for the safety of women MPs and what he said about Jo Cox - dangerous and disgraceful.

Surenuff · 25/09/2019 23:15

I wonder what Rachel Johnson is making of all of this, I hope that she together with her brother Jo are telling Boris what a disgrace he is. Clutching at straws in hoping he will listen to someone with some decency and sense

I think he is far beyond that - not that he really gives a shit about family anyway, including his own children. He has made his pact with the devil and will stick to it until he's dead in that ditch

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