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Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 19:40

Parliament will reconvene tomorrow, at 11.30am, as if proroguation never happened as the Supreme Court ruled that the government acted outside the limits of its power and this was therefore unlawful.

The most senior court in the UK has ruled unaminously to defend Parliamentary Sovereignity and the Rule of British Law.

Unusually for a Wednesday there will be no PMQ, however there will be time for Ministerial Statements, UQ and Debate under S024.
See the abbreviation thread if you are struggling with these

So tomorrow is sure to be explosive on way or another.

The Government is hitting back by questioning the Supreme Court whilst also saying they respect the Supreme Court's authority. This is an oxymoron. Its being done for political reasons and is, in its own way, a direct threat to the Rule of Law.

Robert Buckland is, again, having to do a lot in Cabinet to assert the point of the importance of the Rule of Law and how it prevents mob rule. Something that seems to keep getting forgotten by anonymous No 10 sources.

The political fallout from the ruling is sure to lead to calls for the Supreme Court to be politically elected. This has been a long term goal of parts of the hard right.

Johnson, is currently in the US, so the announcement that parliament will be back tomorrow has rather spoilt his jolly to see his mate Donnie. He will have to get on a plane smartish.

But for all the hard talk there will also be ramifications for Johnson. Whilst there will be a lot of 'nothing has changed', and there is no chance of a VoNC in the HoC being tabled by the opposition whilst no deal is still on the table on the 31st Oct, there will still be problems for Johnson.

There will be a post mortem within his own party. The next Cabinet Meeting will almost certainly be explosive. There are already attempts to set Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General who apparently advised that proroguation was lawful, under the bus as the fall guy. This will perhaps be a deflection to try and protect Dominic Cummings, as there will be moderate Tories who will seek to use this as an opportunity to have him sacked. But more than this, its likely to result in other Cabinet Ministers being more forceful and to challenge Johnson more, both for their own political gain and for their own political protection. He will certainly be more questioned from within, about his poor judgement.

We also have him facing an investigation from the London Assembly over his conduct and suggestions of an inappropriate relationship with a busty blonde American woman.

Next weeks Conservative Party Conference is now in tatters. Whilst Corbyn has wrapped up the Labour Party Conference early to avoid a clash with Parliament being open, Johnson is stuffed. Next week's PMQ will clash with the schedule for his Party Speech. Normally parliament would be in recess for the conference season, but parliament has to vote to allow this. And there isn't a majority for the Conservatives to now be able to do this. So Parliament almost certainly will be sitting next week.

Unfortunately, the Tories are a little stuffed with their conference being held in Manchester. If (and lets face it, with the gloves off and time short) the opposition want to cause mischief, they will try and schedule crucial and embarassing debates during the party conference, to keep MPs stuck in Westminister as much as possible. And with good reason under the circumstances.

We still have the small matter of the 31st October deadline which Johnson is still sticking to saying we will either have a deal or we will leave without a deal - unlawfully.

Remember on that note, Johnson has already acted beyond his power and unlawfully on the basis of bad advice. Johnson being hulk, rather than a girly swat, relies on the advice of others more heavily than his own wisdom and experience - of which he has been exposed time and again - to be somewhat lacking in.

As a side note, its also worth reflecting on the NCA having dropped charges in relation to Leave.Eu and how the Electoral Commission has commented on this decision:
"We are concerned about the apparent weakness in the law, highlighted by this investigation outcome, which allows overseas funds into UK politics. We have made recommendations that would tighten the rules on campaign funding and deter breaches. We urge the UK's governments to act on those recommendations to support voter confidence"

In the context of an imminent General Election, this is really very concerning indeed.

Just WHO is in control? Cos it doesn't look like its Boris Johnson right now, thats for sure.

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flouncyfanny · 25/09/2019 21:28

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Emilyontmoor · 25/09/2019 21:30

The Elements Good, your contributions are one of the things that keeps me coming back to this thread. Having faced Cancer and odds of 60% of living and the horrible treatment of mutilation, poisoning and burning it was the black humour of my fellow Cancer friends (as my DD calls them ), some of whom were unlucky enough to be on the wrong side of the odds that helped us cope. Over on the Cancer threads, yes even there, you get someone coming along and saying this isn't funny. Personally in the wise words of the Lion King I prefer laughing in the face of danger, and at all the absurdity of the times we find ourselves in. You and Marina, keep it up x

horseshit · 25/09/2019 21:30

Did somebody just say “Classic Dom” in the background?

Driedlimes · 25/09/2019 21:31

@BigChocFrenzy

So true. Was thinking something similar but am too cross to articulate it.

It's so difficult though to deal with someone who lies and lies. Where do you start?
Just heard him describe the Supreme Court as 'novel' when the HoL existed prior to it as the highest appellate court so it's hardly 'novel'. But you have to ignore that lie to deal with the bigger lie, so the small lie becomes truth.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 25/09/2019 21:31

Yes they did horseshit.

flouncyfanny · 25/09/2019 21:32

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Apileofballyhoo · 25/09/2019 21:34

Did somebody just say “Classic Dom” in the background?

Either Dom or Don. Not sure.

QueenOfThorns · 25/09/2019 21:35

I’m glad I’m not watching this (DH gets annoyed for some reason when I rant and rave and swear at the telly). Thanks all for the commentary!

pumkinspicetime · 25/09/2019 21:35

I honestly cannot stand Mhairi Black.

Although I think mhairi's 'gaun yersel' accent is a wee bit exaggerated

This is one of the reasons why. I think she is personally disingenuous at best.

I don't always disagree with what she says. I grew up not far away from her constituency and had to work to keep my accent working class enough for my peers for years. I would like a Scotland where any type of accent is fine and people like her take the easy, populist route out.

Small, non Brexit rant over.

Apileofballyhoo · 25/09/2019 21:37

So when No Deal happens, will it be spun as Labour's fault? Because of the Benn Act? Couldn't get a deal because hands were tied type thing? Will people swallow that?

prettybird · 25/09/2019 21:38

TheElementsSong - your contributions are always insightful and thoughtful - and any swearing is perfectly justified given the fucking, gaslighting liar who is standing at the Dispatch Box Angry

Emotional abuse is now also defined as part of Domestic Abuse: he's guilty of doing it to the entire Parliament and in particular to its female members.

About the only "credit" I can attribute to BoZo is that I'm not sure he even knows he's lying Confused - it's just ingrained in him.

horseshit · 25/09/2019 21:38

Thanks, Rafa, thought I was going crazy for a second.
Jesus fucking Christ, what a vile man. I have never been this angry watching Parliament.
(Back to lurking)

Cackleweb · 25/09/2019 21:40

Will people swallow that?

Yes, and blame the EU too. They'll blame everyone apart from themselves and the charlatans that promised them sunny uplands.

Outsomnia · 25/09/2019 21:41

Jess Phillips MP with evidence of death threats re Brexit.

What a horror show this whole debacle has unleashed now, and it can only escalate if the Hard Brexiteers don't get their way.

twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1176946192992952326

derxa · 25/09/2019 21:42

She does sound like a lot of her constituents though Probably.
I wasn't suggesting she should talk like she had a bool in her mooth.
I'm listening to Alan Brown. Now that is his own accent and he's had MPs pretending not to understand him.

DarkAtEndOfUk · 25/09/2019 21:43

How many people have mentioned Charles I yet (the thread moves too fast to read all of it, sorry)? Why can't these people seem to understand that their urge to win is destroying the country they are trying to 'win'? Is this really disaster capitalism, or just a supreme ego?
We are in truly dangerous waters now.

prettybird · 25/09/2019 21:43

To be fair on Mhairi Black, I don't think her accent is put on - she's just chosen not to change it, iyswim (unlike most people when they go to Uni).

SIL knows her as Mhairi is the same age as her ds and they went to secondary school together.

flouncyfanny · 25/09/2019 21:45

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DarkAtEndOfUk · 25/09/2019 21:46

Yes. We have a prime minister apparently legitimising male assaults on women.

TheElementsSong · 25/09/2019 21:47

It's not about me, though people are kind to reply to me, thank you.

Just more that I'm fucking incensed that anybody looking at this shitshow, no wait, this amazonian torrent of repellent xenophobic blatant-lying goalpost-shifting responsibility-shirking, death-threat-minimising immoral diarrhoea coming from BozoCum, Brexiteers and all who still support them, the important thing they have to inform the thread of is... "ooh, don't be too robust, or confrontational, or conversely ignore them, or discharge your mental tension using wit or levity, or whatever, because Reasons."

FUcK. ThaT. ShiT.

flouncyfanny · 25/09/2019 21:50

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DarkAtEndOfUk · 25/09/2019 21:50

I suspect the fury against the "mc elite" is that mc isn't posh enough to be accepted as authority figures

Some want to pull the forelock to the proper upper class again

I think I've been right all along to resist any impulse to dumb down education, language and communications to the lowest common factor. What's happened is that the lower classes see that the educated classes are no better than they are, they 'just use longer words'. And so the resentment builds. In fact the educated just use longer concepts.

tobee · 25/09/2019 21:51

👏TheElements

prettybird · 25/09/2019 21:51

pumpkinspice - I'll add that I personally have a "posh" Bearsden/Milngavie accent and never needed to change it Grin not that I'd have been able to even if I wanted to Wink

Belindabelle · 25/09/2019 21:52

Why did Johnson leave?

I was refereeing my boys and missed the action.