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Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 19:40

Parliament will reconvene tomorrow, at 11.30am, as if proroguation never happened as the Supreme Court ruled that the government acted outside the limits of its power and this was therefore unlawful.

The most senior court in the UK has ruled unaminously to defend Parliamentary Sovereignity and the Rule of British Law.

Unusually for a Wednesday there will be no PMQ, however there will be time for Ministerial Statements, UQ and Debate under S024.
See the abbreviation thread if you are struggling with these

So tomorrow is sure to be explosive on way or another.

The Government is hitting back by questioning the Supreme Court whilst also saying they respect the Supreme Court's authority. This is an oxymoron. Its being done for political reasons and is, in its own way, a direct threat to the Rule of Law.

Robert Buckland is, again, having to do a lot in Cabinet to assert the point of the importance of the Rule of Law and how it prevents mob rule. Something that seems to keep getting forgotten by anonymous No 10 sources.

The political fallout from the ruling is sure to lead to calls for the Supreme Court to be politically elected. This has been a long term goal of parts of the hard right.

Johnson, is currently in the US, so the announcement that parliament will be back tomorrow has rather spoilt his jolly to see his mate Donnie. He will have to get on a plane smartish.

But for all the hard talk there will also be ramifications for Johnson. Whilst there will be a lot of 'nothing has changed', and there is no chance of a VoNC in the HoC being tabled by the opposition whilst no deal is still on the table on the 31st Oct, there will still be problems for Johnson.

There will be a post mortem within his own party. The next Cabinet Meeting will almost certainly be explosive. There are already attempts to set Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General who apparently advised that proroguation was lawful, under the bus as the fall guy. This will perhaps be a deflection to try and protect Dominic Cummings, as there will be moderate Tories who will seek to use this as an opportunity to have him sacked. But more than this, its likely to result in other Cabinet Ministers being more forceful and to challenge Johnson more, both for their own political gain and for their own political protection. He will certainly be more questioned from within, about his poor judgement.

We also have him facing an investigation from the London Assembly over his conduct and suggestions of an inappropriate relationship with a busty blonde American woman.

Next weeks Conservative Party Conference is now in tatters. Whilst Corbyn has wrapped up the Labour Party Conference early to avoid a clash with Parliament being open, Johnson is stuffed. Next week's PMQ will clash with the schedule for his Party Speech. Normally parliament would be in recess for the conference season, but parliament has to vote to allow this. And there isn't a majority for the Conservatives to now be able to do this. So Parliament almost certainly will be sitting next week.

Unfortunately, the Tories are a little stuffed with their conference being held in Manchester. If (and lets face it, with the gloves off and time short) the opposition want to cause mischief, they will try and schedule crucial and embarassing debates during the party conference, to keep MPs stuck in Westminister as much as possible. And with good reason under the circumstances.

We still have the small matter of the 31st October deadline which Johnson is still sticking to saying we will either have a deal or we will leave without a deal - unlawfully.

Remember on that note, Johnson has already acted beyond his power and unlawfully on the basis of bad advice. Johnson being hulk, rather than a girly swat, relies on the advice of others more heavily than his own wisdom and experience - of which he has been exposed time and again - to be somewhat lacking in.

As a side note, its also worth reflecting on the NCA having dropped charges in relation to Leave.Eu and how the Electoral Commission has commented on this decision:
"We are concerned about the apparent weakness in the law, highlighted by this investigation outcome, which allows overseas funds into UK politics. We have made recommendations that would tighten the rules on campaign funding and deter breaches. We urge the UK's governments to act on those recommendations to support voter confidence"

In the context of an imminent General Election, this is really very concerning indeed.

Just WHO is in control? Cos it doesn't look like its Boris Johnson right now, thats for sure.

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Frankiestein402 · 25/09/2019 21:11

I thought Ian blackford's comments on VoNC hinted at bringing this forward relatively soon - Implying some strategy is in play to stand up an alternative government?

Driedlimes · 25/09/2019 21:12

SNP giving it socks. Johnson struggles against them.

Switching off soon. Round and round in circles. Johnson couldn't care less - it's all about being a 'strongman'.

I read some rubbish on twitter about what a great orator he is ( such an essential skill I don't think - and quite incorrect).

How does anyone fall for it.

Good question now on errors of law. Good call!!!

derxa · 25/09/2019 21:12

dexra I love that she doesn't dull down her accent. I suspect that it's a different accent to her mum and dad's. Nevertheless the SNP contributions have been great tonight.

NoWordForFluffy · 25/09/2019 21:12

I bloody hope so, Frankenstein!

TheElementsSong · 25/09/2019 21:13

Just popping in to say that I'm not going to tone-police, or anything police what I say on this thread. Given that, apparently, merely being witty is frowned upon by some posters, trying to please anyone (let alone everyone) is a fool's errand - anybody doesn't like what I have to say, or how I say it, or wants to dig in deeper to their position that they were never going to un-dig from anyway, that's their problem.

NoWordForFluffy · 25/09/2019 21:13

My accent is different from my parents' accent. Does that mean something significant?

PerkingFaintly · 25/09/2019 21:14

unwravellingagain what the fuck?

OK, that's just a Twitter thread at the moment, so I shall handle with due caution. But that rates further investigation quick sharp...

Here's the thread unrolled:
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Funds were quickly supplied via UK govt agencies to launch the company in 2013.

But, at this point, no actual tech work seems to have been done. A lot of the activities were geared to meetings, travel & hosting public events.

And here’s where it gets stranger...

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Arcuri’s events were able to attract very “interesting” speakers. For a start Boris Johnson would lend his support by agreeing to be a keynote speaker ensuring publicity, sponsorship & attendees...but what other type of speakers do you think came....?

Have a guess...

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Very quickly these supposedly Tech events generated notorious speakers from the far right US scene - one example, now banned in most mainstream media, Milo Yiannopoulos, but then a key part of Brannon’s Breitbart network.

ContinuityError · 25/09/2019 21:14

Something definitely going on with Arcuri / Hacker House - changing the registered office from a suburban house to somewhere in London just today.

Hope someone is also asking how Arcuri could bung in a £700k Directors Loan In last years accounts?

flouncyfanny · 25/09/2019 21:16

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Random18 · 25/09/2019 21:16

dexra possibly not but then my kids don't sound like me.

She does sound like a lot of her constituents though

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 21:17

He's a terrible orator, all ums, blather and confusion,
covered up with posh-sounding classics quotes .... which those railing against "the elite "adore Hmm

I suspect the fury against the "mc elite" is that mc isn't posh enough to be accepted as authority figures

Some want to pull the forelock to the proper upper class again

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 25/09/2019 21:17

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SaveMeBarry · 25/09/2019 21:18

A quick thanks to Red and all the regular Westminstenders contributors for these threads which I've been following for a couple of years now. My go to place for all Brexit news and updates!

A little light relief Grin:

Boris

chomalungma · 25/09/2019 21:19

He doesn't get it..

Zero empathy.

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 25/09/2019 21:19

I'm comforting myself with hot chocolate and hot buttered muffins. I'm
Simply stunned at how he is still PM. I wish my grandad and dad were still alive as I'd love to hear what they would say about all this.

BigSexyCrimeUnit · 25/09/2019 21:20

I've just had to come on here and vent my absolute fury at the sheer snidey brass neck (as Mhairi would say) of Boris Fucking Johnson. He is a total disgrace. If I were a Tory (not a chance) I would be ashamed to be connected with someone who kept calling the Benn Bill the Surrender Bill despite repeated requests to tone down his language and who wouldn't apologise for behaving unlawfully and misleading the Queen.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 25/09/2019 21:21

I turned off at 9, watching Grand Designs. I can't bear him any longer tonight.

ContinuityError · 25/09/2019 21:21

Innotech (the conference company) is Arcuri’s other directorship - still currently registered at a suburban house. Accounts are (again) interesting - large amounts due to creditors compared with assets or income.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 21:23

flouncy imo, The Supreme Court decision means that MPs can go to the courts,
who would immediately declare any prorogation after the Queen's Speech to be unlawful

So, might waste a couple of days, but that's it
Then he'd have to request an extension

  • or resign as PM and gamble that the Rebel Alliance can't agree on a new PM within the few days left before 31 October Not a bad gamble
flouncyfanny · 25/09/2019 21:23

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HarveySchlumpfenburger · 25/09/2019 21:24

i’m not sure Hugo Swire would know a lot about what’s in the best interests of his constituents. He’s most only interested in his own interests.

QuentinWinters · 25/09/2019 21:25

Some want to pull the forelock to the proper upper class again
Yes. See also: Jacob Rees Mogg. It's very confusing

Outsomnia · 25/09/2019 21:25

Ironically, apart from those who actually watch Parliament TV live and have an interest in how the country is being run, a lot of people just pick up their paper of choice, or read it online, watch TV reports, and believe every word of propaganda therein.

Depending on which side you are on of course.

flouncyfanny · 25/09/2019 21:25

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Hoooo · 25/09/2019 21:27

Fucking hell.

The depths that bastard will sink to...

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