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Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 19:40

Parliament will reconvene tomorrow, at 11.30am, as if proroguation never happened as the Supreme Court ruled that the government acted outside the limits of its power and this was therefore unlawful.

The most senior court in the UK has ruled unaminously to defend Parliamentary Sovereignity and the Rule of British Law.

Unusually for a Wednesday there will be no PMQ, however there will be time for Ministerial Statements, UQ and Debate under S024.
See the abbreviation thread if you are struggling with these

So tomorrow is sure to be explosive on way or another.

The Government is hitting back by questioning the Supreme Court whilst also saying they respect the Supreme Court's authority. This is an oxymoron. Its being done for political reasons and is, in its own way, a direct threat to the Rule of Law.

Robert Buckland is, again, having to do a lot in Cabinet to assert the point of the importance of the Rule of Law and how it prevents mob rule. Something that seems to keep getting forgotten by anonymous No 10 sources.

The political fallout from the ruling is sure to lead to calls for the Supreme Court to be politically elected. This has been a long term goal of parts of the hard right.

Johnson, is currently in the US, so the announcement that parliament will be back tomorrow has rather spoilt his jolly to see his mate Donnie. He will have to get on a plane smartish.

But for all the hard talk there will also be ramifications for Johnson. Whilst there will be a lot of 'nothing has changed', and there is no chance of a VoNC in the HoC being tabled by the opposition whilst no deal is still on the table on the 31st Oct, there will still be problems for Johnson.

There will be a post mortem within his own party. The next Cabinet Meeting will almost certainly be explosive. There are already attempts to set Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General who apparently advised that proroguation was lawful, under the bus as the fall guy. This will perhaps be a deflection to try and protect Dominic Cummings, as there will be moderate Tories who will seek to use this as an opportunity to have him sacked. But more than this, its likely to result in other Cabinet Ministers being more forceful and to challenge Johnson more, both for their own political gain and for their own political protection. He will certainly be more questioned from within, about his poor judgement.

We also have him facing an investigation from the London Assembly over his conduct and suggestions of an inappropriate relationship with a busty blonde American woman.

Next weeks Conservative Party Conference is now in tatters. Whilst Corbyn has wrapped up the Labour Party Conference early to avoid a clash with Parliament being open, Johnson is stuffed. Next week's PMQ will clash with the schedule for his Party Speech. Normally parliament would be in recess for the conference season, but parliament has to vote to allow this. And there isn't a majority for the Conservatives to now be able to do this. So Parliament almost certainly will be sitting next week.

Unfortunately, the Tories are a little stuffed with their conference being held in Manchester. If (and lets face it, with the gloves off and time short) the opposition want to cause mischief, they will try and schedule crucial and embarassing debates during the party conference, to keep MPs stuck in Westminister as much as possible. And with good reason under the circumstances.

We still have the small matter of the 31st October deadline which Johnson is still sticking to saying we will either have a deal or we will leave without a deal - unlawfully.

Remember on that note, Johnson has already acted beyond his power and unlawfully on the basis of bad advice. Johnson being hulk, rather than a girly swat, relies on the advice of others more heavily than his own wisdom and experience - of which he has been exposed time and again - to be somewhat lacking in.

As a side note, its also worth reflecting on the NCA having dropped charges in relation to Leave.Eu and how the Electoral Commission has commented on this decision:
"We are concerned about the apparent weakness in the law, highlighted by this investigation outcome, which allows overseas funds into UK politics. We have made recommendations that would tighten the rules on campaign funding and deter breaches. We urge the UK's governments to act on those recommendations to support voter confidence"

In the context of an imminent General Election, this is really very concerning indeed.

Just WHO is in control? Cos it doesn't look like its Boris Johnson right now, thats for sure.

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Emilyontmoor · 25/09/2019 20:54

Marina Hyde
@MarinaHyde
Woman after woman after woman after woman has had to stand up tonight and plead with Boris Johnson to moderate his language for their own safety, and he just doubles down every time. What an absolutely hollowed-our human. Narcissism has taken it all

A friend of DDs when she was her school's member of our local youth parliament was at an event where they went up to City Hall for a tour and to meet Boris, this was the Year 6 youth parliament. He was responding to some of the boys with some very colourful language so she, probably a little precociously, commented he shouldn't swear. He looked at her, then the boys conspiratorially and said "weird". An early experience of a patriarchal twat.

Bearbehind · 25/09/2019 20:54

A least some Westministenders find name-calling on these threads can lower their stress levels

Personally, the cat & dog photos here do that for me but each to their own

Personally I find the dog and cat photos tedious and completely unnecessary, yet I guess that’s why I’m always the third wheel on these threads.

chomalungma · 25/09/2019 20:54

I wish more people from the Conservative party would condemn the language used by Johnson?

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 20:55

Several Tory MPs are reported to be v unhappy and some didn't look to be celebrating the threats made by their Fuhrer,
but I'd expect them to wait until a crucial Brexit vote before breaking ranks

Random18 · 25/09/2019 20:56

chim there's not that many of them there!

cherin · 25/09/2019 20:56

Is it true that they did brexit propaganda in primary schools today? One of the labour MPs said that and it gave me the creeps
(DS commented that in his school they do it all the time. Anti brexit :-)

Sostenueto · 25/09/2019 20:57

I think Boris needs to be cut short now. The opposition is just not coming up with anything new and just keep asking for an apology which they won't get.
I think I will prorogue Parliament myself if he is not silenced soon!

chomalungma · 25/09/2019 20:57

Here she is...

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 20:58

"BJCummings just denied ever using the word "Surrender" - despite having called the Benn Bill the "Surrender Bill" for the last 2+ hours"

BJ in front of the press in that hospital "There's no press here"

He's consistent in being a blatant liar
Amazing he so rarely gets called out for it

flouncyfanny · 25/09/2019 20:59

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prettybird · 25/09/2019 20:59

chomalunga - one of his own party did try to remonstrate with him about the language that he used, like "surrender", "traitor", "betrayal", but BoZo then blatantly lied denied ever using any such words Angry

Sostenueto · 25/09/2019 21:00

Mhairi Black now on. Here we go table a NCV he's like a fucking record. There is no deal in the pipeline with the EU. Angry

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Random18 · 25/09/2019 21:01

Wee Mhairi is growing on me. I wasn't sure about her at 1st but she says it like it is. And usually is bang on the money.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 21:02

Reminder of what a Conservative, now ex-Tory, said:

Rory Stewart@RoryStewartUK

I am horrified that when I asked the Attorney-General to confirm the principle of the sovereignty of parliament that he appears to have replied - over the shouts of the house - that
“this parliament is a disgrace.”

Our democracy can only be and must remain founded in parliament.

< he gets it, probably why he's an ex-Tory.
I hope he and some other rebels can return and retake their party from the hard right nihilist infestation >

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derxa · 25/09/2019 21:03

"Brasso for your neck" Grin
Although I think mhairi's 'gaun yersel' accent is a wee bit exaggerated

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 21:04

I've liked Mhairi right from her maiden speech
The proverbial "breath of fresh air"

I disagree with some of what she says, but I respect her principles

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 21:06

She has an excellent turn of phrase Grin

I'd love to see her at an international conference and what they would make of her !

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DGRossetti · 25/09/2019 21:07

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Random18 · 25/09/2019 21:07

dexra I love that she doesn't dull down her accent.

NoWordForFluffy · 25/09/2019 21:10

I can't see a Court looking favourably on that plan, DGR.

He's being so fucking snide. He knows they don't support him. Twat extraordinaire.

TokyoSushi · 25/09/2019 21:10

Another member of the Mhairi Black fan club here!

Bearbehind · 25/09/2019 21:11

Have you seen what’s doing the rounds on FB?

BJ supporters literally don’t care that he lied.

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