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Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 19:40

Parliament will reconvene tomorrow, at 11.30am, as if proroguation never happened as the Supreme Court ruled that the government acted outside the limits of its power and this was therefore unlawful.

The most senior court in the UK has ruled unaminously to defend Parliamentary Sovereignity and the Rule of British Law.

Unusually for a Wednesday there will be no PMQ, however there will be time for Ministerial Statements, UQ and Debate under S024.
See the abbreviation thread if you are struggling with these

So tomorrow is sure to be explosive on way or another.

The Government is hitting back by questioning the Supreme Court whilst also saying they respect the Supreme Court's authority. This is an oxymoron. Its being done for political reasons and is, in its own way, a direct threat to the Rule of Law.

Robert Buckland is, again, having to do a lot in Cabinet to assert the point of the importance of the Rule of Law and how it prevents mob rule. Something that seems to keep getting forgotten by anonymous No 10 sources.

The political fallout from the ruling is sure to lead to calls for the Supreme Court to be politically elected. This has been a long term goal of parts of the hard right.

Johnson, is currently in the US, so the announcement that parliament will be back tomorrow has rather spoilt his jolly to see his mate Donnie. He will have to get on a plane smartish.

But for all the hard talk there will also be ramifications for Johnson. Whilst there will be a lot of 'nothing has changed', and there is no chance of a VoNC in the HoC being tabled by the opposition whilst no deal is still on the table on the 31st Oct, there will still be problems for Johnson.

There will be a post mortem within his own party. The next Cabinet Meeting will almost certainly be explosive. There are already attempts to set Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General who apparently advised that proroguation was lawful, under the bus as the fall guy. This will perhaps be a deflection to try and protect Dominic Cummings, as there will be moderate Tories who will seek to use this as an opportunity to have him sacked. But more than this, its likely to result in other Cabinet Ministers being more forceful and to challenge Johnson more, both for their own political gain and for their own political protection. He will certainly be more questioned from within, about his poor judgement.

We also have him facing an investigation from the London Assembly over his conduct and suggestions of an inappropriate relationship with a busty blonde American woman.

Next weeks Conservative Party Conference is now in tatters. Whilst Corbyn has wrapped up the Labour Party Conference early to avoid a clash with Parliament being open, Johnson is stuffed. Next week's PMQ will clash with the schedule for his Party Speech. Normally parliament would be in recess for the conference season, but parliament has to vote to allow this. And there isn't a majority for the Conservatives to now be able to do this. So Parliament almost certainly will be sitting next week.

Unfortunately, the Tories are a little stuffed with their conference being held in Manchester. If (and lets face it, with the gloves off and time short) the opposition want to cause mischief, they will try and schedule crucial and embarassing debates during the party conference, to keep MPs stuck in Westminister as much as possible. And with good reason under the circumstances.

We still have the small matter of the 31st October deadline which Johnson is still sticking to saying we will either have a deal or we will leave without a deal - unlawfully.

Remember on that note, Johnson has already acted beyond his power and unlawfully on the basis of bad advice. Johnson being hulk, rather than a girly swat, relies on the advice of others more heavily than his own wisdom and experience - of which he has been exposed time and again - to be somewhat lacking in.

As a side note, its also worth reflecting on the NCA having dropped charges in relation to Leave.Eu and how the Electoral Commission has commented on this decision:
"We are concerned about the apparent weakness in the law, highlighted by this investigation outcome, which allows overseas funds into UK politics. We have made recommendations that would tighten the rules on campaign funding and deter breaches. We urge the UK's governments to act on those recommendations to support voter confidence"

In the context of an imminent General Election, this is really very concerning indeed.

Just WHO is in control? Cos it doesn't look like its Boris Johnson right now, thats for sure.

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prettybird · 25/09/2019 19:52

He keeps on congratulating himself that Parliament is back sitting Confused

He is only there because he was dragged there kicking and screaming and is still being disingenuous in saying he "respects" the Supreme Court's (11-0) judgement, he thinks it was wrong. Hmm

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 19:54

Yep Sad

Lewis Goodalll@lewis*_goodall

It is extraordinary that the Tory benches erupted in applause today.

Once upon a time having been admonished by the Supreme Court, unlawfully proroguing the House, embarrassing the Queen would have drawn the ire of many Tory MPs,
even for (especially for) their own PM.

No longer.

Bearbehind · 25/09/2019 19:54

Over on The Brexit Arms thread they are loving it. Total groupies

Like I said there and here, you can disagree with him all you like, he’s doing a better job getting support than all the rest put together - which is exactly what he needs in a GE.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 19:55

<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=mobile.twitter.com/lewis_goodall" target="_blank">Lewis Goodalll<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=mobile.twitter.com/lewis_goodall" target="_blank">@lewis_goodall

An extraordinarily bombastic performance from the prime minister.

It does occur to me that if he doesn’t show some humility after the laceration the Supreme Court gave him yesterday
it’s difficult to imagine any circumstances in which he would.

prettybird · 25/09/2019 19:55

Did one of the Conservative MPs (a few speakers ago) really suggest what I thought he suggested: that the PM should ignore judgements, Parliament, the elite (including the Supreme Court) and the law and "just get on with leaving" Shock

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 19:55

The phrase " Surrender Act" gives me shivers, and reminds me of songs from a sectarian childhood. Deliberately done for a certain audience outside of the HofC.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 25/09/2019 19:56

Belated PMK. I feel like I’ve missed thousands of posts.

Watching the antics of the HoC in horror. Such dangerous rhetoric stoking the fires. I genuinely fear for the safety of some of those MPs.

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 19:56

Justine Greening, remonstrating about " surrender" also.

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 19:59

And Paula Sherrif, well done.
Disrespected by BJ, awful awful. Sad

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 19:59

The Tory MPs know his many faults and few can stand him personally
BUT

they voted him into the last 2 in the leadership election precisely because they believe he has the magic touch with voters and has the best chance of winning them a GE

... and saving their seats, in the case of MPs whose seats are at risk

chomalungma · 25/09/2019 20:00

Un fucking believable.

An MP asks him to moderate his language after all the death threats and he calls it humbug.

Un fucking believable

Cherrypi · 25/09/2019 20:01

That was awful. Feels like there's going to be a brawl. Boris is just winding them up on purpose.

prettybird · 25/09/2019 20:01

And now BJCummings is minimising death threats and violence, encouraged by the very language that he uses, as "humbug". ShockAngry

Typical privileged white male Angry

MaudBaileysGreenTurban · 25/09/2019 20:02

He is utterly shameful.

That response to Paula Sheriff was appalling, disgusting.

We are not at war with the EU.

It is dog-whistling of the very worst, most repulsive kind.

bellinisurge · 25/09/2019 20:02

Quitlings love gobby wankers like Johnson.
Let's hope the MPs trying to get a deal have more success.

tobee · 25/09/2019 20:02

I did classical civilisation as half of my degree. I don't go around spouting Greco-Roman references all the time like a wanker. It's not that spiffing a degree anyway! Confused

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 20:03

"Surrender Act"

Shame we have a PM who can't distinguish properly between his professional life and any private BDM preferences

cherin · 25/09/2019 20:05

I was listening to this with my kids and the teen listens for a while then says: these guys are like teenagers, only with better vocabulary.

Then:
Why exactly are they there insulting each other instead of deciding what to do with brexit?

Belindabelle · 25/09/2019 20:05

He is an odious cunt. I never use that word but he is.

Bearbehind · 25/09/2019 20:06

Quitlings love gobby wankers like Johnson.

Calling them ‘quitlings’ only makes things worse.

Driedlimes · 25/09/2019 20:07

'Humbug'
About death threats - how can he sleep?

I agree that this is all just a dog whistle to those outside parliament. Capture of Cons by BXP now complete.

I think VONC needed very soon just to cut off his airtime. Followed preferably by a GNU and return to some propriety (if that's even possible at this stage).

chomalungma · 25/09/2019 20:07

I keep swearing at the TV.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 20:07

Paul Johnsonn@paul*__johnson

Q: Will PM refer himself to Cabinet Secretary for investigation over public funds given to his close friend?

A: I’m proud of everything I did as London Mayor

-So no
.......

This is Boris Johnson’s ‘close friend’ Jennifer Arcuri

-She got £126k of taxpayer money and went on 3 overseas trade missions

-Govt today said she qualified because firm has UK phone number

-So Guardian rang. Woman with US accent answered. ‘I’m in US’ she said.

Unraveling

chomalungma · 25/09/2019 20:08

He just said that if Brexit goes through, the death threats will stop.

Fuck him

dontcallmelen · 25/09/2019 20:08

Belinda me either, but I entirely agree with you.