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Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 19:40

Parliament will reconvene tomorrow, at 11.30am, as if proroguation never happened as the Supreme Court ruled that the government acted outside the limits of its power and this was therefore unlawful.

The most senior court in the UK has ruled unaminously to defend Parliamentary Sovereignity and the Rule of British Law.

Unusually for a Wednesday there will be no PMQ, however there will be time for Ministerial Statements, UQ and Debate under S024.
See the abbreviation thread if you are struggling with these

So tomorrow is sure to be explosive on way or another.

The Government is hitting back by questioning the Supreme Court whilst also saying they respect the Supreme Court's authority. This is an oxymoron. Its being done for political reasons and is, in its own way, a direct threat to the Rule of Law.

Robert Buckland is, again, having to do a lot in Cabinet to assert the point of the importance of the Rule of Law and how it prevents mob rule. Something that seems to keep getting forgotten by anonymous No 10 sources.

The political fallout from the ruling is sure to lead to calls for the Supreme Court to be politically elected. This has been a long term goal of parts of the hard right.

Johnson, is currently in the US, so the announcement that parliament will be back tomorrow has rather spoilt his jolly to see his mate Donnie. He will have to get on a plane smartish.

But for all the hard talk there will also be ramifications for Johnson. Whilst there will be a lot of 'nothing has changed', and there is no chance of a VoNC in the HoC being tabled by the opposition whilst no deal is still on the table on the 31st Oct, there will still be problems for Johnson.

There will be a post mortem within his own party. The next Cabinet Meeting will almost certainly be explosive. There are already attempts to set Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General who apparently advised that proroguation was lawful, under the bus as the fall guy. This will perhaps be a deflection to try and protect Dominic Cummings, as there will be moderate Tories who will seek to use this as an opportunity to have him sacked. But more than this, its likely to result in other Cabinet Ministers being more forceful and to challenge Johnson more, both for their own political gain and for their own political protection. He will certainly be more questioned from within, about his poor judgement.

We also have him facing an investigation from the London Assembly over his conduct and suggestions of an inappropriate relationship with a busty blonde American woman.

Next weeks Conservative Party Conference is now in tatters. Whilst Corbyn has wrapped up the Labour Party Conference early to avoid a clash with Parliament being open, Johnson is stuffed. Next week's PMQ will clash with the schedule for his Party Speech. Normally parliament would be in recess for the conference season, but parliament has to vote to allow this. And there isn't a majority for the Conservatives to now be able to do this. So Parliament almost certainly will be sitting next week.

Unfortunately, the Tories are a little stuffed with their conference being held in Manchester. If (and lets face it, with the gloves off and time short) the opposition want to cause mischief, they will try and schedule crucial and embarassing debates during the party conference, to keep MPs stuck in Westminister as much as possible. And with good reason under the circumstances.

We still have the small matter of the 31st October deadline which Johnson is still sticking to saying we will either have a deal or we will leave without a deal - unlawfully.

Remember on that note, Johnson has already acted beyond his power and unlawfully on the basis of bad advice. Johnson being hulk, rather than a girly swat, relies on the advice of others more heavily than his own wisdom and experience - of which he has been exposed time and again - to be somewhat lacking in.

As a side note, its also worth reflecting on the NCA having dropped charges in relation to Leave.Eu and how the Electoral Commission has commented on this decision:
"We are concerned about the apparent weakness in the law, highlighted by this investigation outcome, which allows overseas funds into UK politics. We have made recommendations that would tighten the rules on campaign funding and deter breaches. We urge the UK's governments to act on those recommendations to support voter confidence"

In the context of an imminent General Election, this is really very concerning indeed.

Just WHO is in control? Cos it doesn't look like its Boris Johnson right now, thats for sure.

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Random18 · 25/09/2019 19:25

Belinda there is a funny version of the song doing its rounds on FB.

flouncyfanny · 25/09/2019 19:25

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Belindabelle · 25/09/2019 19:25

Exactly. It’s only slander if it’s not true!

MockersthefeMANist · 25/09/2019 19:26

SingalongaBozza

MockersthefeMANist · 25/09/2019 19:28

In the House, you may not accuse an MP of lying to the House.

This is because parlamentary privilige precludes the possibility of a defamation action.

squid4 · 25/09/2019 19:29

I'm struggling to watch it and had to turn it off.
The juxtaposition between what's going on politically and what I see in A&E is just so painful
I don't know if I'm furious or hopeful
Tired. Wine.

flouncyfanny · 25/09/2019 19:29

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OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 25/09/2019 19:29

Just busy vomming over Penny Maudants gushing over Johnson Envy

prettybird · 25/09/2019 19:29

Time for this one again Grin (from my 82 year old dad).

What's amazing is that it was first loaded on 3 July 2016 - and every single word is still true Shock

JuneFromBethesda · 25/09/2019 19:30

This is making me so angry. Johnson is a fucking disgrace. The man has no shame.

prettybird · 25/09/2019 19:31

Blame my dad for the ear worm Grin

Driedlimes · 25/09/2019 19:34

Finding watching this so depressing.
Johnson patronises, engages in ad hominem attacks, answers nothing & congratulates himself.

Sadly I think a lot of people love it.

Conservatives in general behaving in vile fashion.

They don't appear to care at all - it's all about winning a game.

Good old Grieve though. Polite & properly clever.

Motheroffourdragons · 25/09/2019 19:34

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dontcallmelen · 25/09/2019 19:36

My feelings exactly Dried I really do think it’s a massive game for many of them.

pumkinspicetime · 25/09/2019 19:39

pretty that did make me laugh.
I would forward to DH but he only has a work phone so better not!

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 19:39

Yes, Dried totally agree, Grieve has been excellent and Soubry and Blackford also.
Sadly, I fear that all that will survive, will be Gove and BJ sound bites.

boldlygoingsomewhere · 25/09/2019 19:41

Conservatives in general behaving in vile fashion.

They don't appear to care at all - it's all about winning a game.

Yep. They are showing that they don’t give a shit about the consequences of no-deal.
The only way this country can heal is not to vote for these selfish bastards again.

Lonelycrab · 25/09/2019 19:41

Bj looking more and more like the Emperor from Star Wars by the minute. Which is good.

But sadly acting like him too.

Driedlimes · 25/09/2019 19:42

Johnson is loving this crap. Odysseus - who the hell does he think he is. Classical reference to show his superiority (not).
How does any working person think he represents their interests.
I despair.

MockersthefeMANist · 25/09/2019 19:43

Odysseus

Try Icarus. He was a hubristic pratt too.

Driedlimes · 25/09/2019 19:44

@MockersthefeMANist
Dead right. Thanks - that made me smile

Belindabelle · 25/09/2019 19:45

Both those clips are great. I just can’t listen to him anymore.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 19:46

"Just busy vomming over Penny Maudaunt's gushing over Johnson"

She's desperate to get back in the Cabinet
She's a faithful Brexiter, who dutifully spouted lies about Turkey during the ref campaign

However, when BJ took over as PM, he sacked her for supporting Hunt

  • Our Leader demands personal loyalty, not to The Cause - because his only Cause is himself
BackInTime · 25/09/2019 19:50

Johnson 'a novel judgement' Confused

bellinisurge · 25/09/2019 19:51

Over on The Brexit Arms thread they are loving it. Total groupies.