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Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 19:40

Parliament will reconvene tomorrow, at 11.30am, as if proroguation never happened as the Supreme Court ruled that the government acted outside the limits of its power and this was therefore unlawful.

The most senior court in the UK has ruled unaminously to defend Parliamentary Sovereignity and the Rule of British Law.

Unusually for a Wednesday there will be no PMQ, however there will be time for Ministerial Statements, UQ and Debate under S024.
See the abbreviation thread if you are struggling with these

So tomorrow is sure to be explosive on way or another.

The Government is hitting back by questioning the Supreme Court whilst also saying they respect the Supreme Court's authority. This is an oxymoron. Its being done for political reasons and is, in its own way, a direct threat to the Rule of Law.

Robert Buckland is, again, having to do a lot in Cabinet to assert the point of the importance of the Rule of Law and how it prevents mob rule. Something that seems to keep getting forgotten by anonymous No 10 sources.

The political fallout from the ruling is sure to lead to calls for the Supreme Court to be politically elected. This has been a long term goal of parts of the hard right.

Johnson, is currently in the US, so the announcement that parliament will be back tomorrow has rather spoilt his jolly to see his mate Donnie. He will have to get on a plane smartish.

But for all the hard talk there will also be ramifications for Johnson. Whilst there will be a lot of 'nothing has changed', and there is no chance of a VoNC in the HoC being tabled by the opposition whilst no deal is still on the table on the 31st Oct, there will still be problems for Johnson.

There will be a post mortem within his own party. The next Cabinet Meeting will almost certainly be explosive. There are already attempts to set Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General who apparently advised that proroguation was lawful, under the bus as the fall guy. This will perhaps be a deflection to try and protect Dominic Cummings, as there will be moderate Tories who will seek to use this as an opportunity to have him sacked. But more than this, its likely to result in other Cabinet Ministers being more forceful and to challenge Johnson more, both for their own political gain and for their own political protection. He will certainly be more questioned from within, about his poor judgement.

We also have him facing an investigation from the London Assembly over his conduct and suggestions of an inappropriate relationship with a busty blonde American woman.

Next weeks Conservative Party Conference is now in tatters. Whilst Corbyn has wrapped up the Labour Party Conference early to avoid a clash with Parliament being open, Johnson is stuffed. Next week's PMQ will clash with the schedule for his Party Speech. Normally parliament would be in recess for the conference season, but parliament has to vote to allow this. And there isn't a majority for the Conservatives to now be able to do this. So Parliament almost certainly will be sitting next week.

Unfortunately, the Tories are a little stuffed with their conference being held in Manchester. If (and lets face it, with the gloves off and time short) the opposition want to cause mischief, they will try and schedule crucial and embarassing debates during the party conference, to keep MPs stuck in Westminister as much as possible. And with good reason under the circumstances.

We still have the small matter of the 31st October deadline which Johnson is still sticking to saying we will either have a deal or we will leave without a deal - unlawfully.

Remember on that note, Johnson has already acted beyond his power and unlawfully on the basis of bad advice. Johnson being hulk, rather than a girly swat, relies on the advice of others more heavily than his own wisdom and experience - of which he has been exposed time and again - to be somewhat lacking in.

As a side note, its also worth reflecting on the NCA having dropped charges in relation to Leave.Eu and how the Electoral Commission has commented on this decision:
"We are concerned about the apparent weakness in the law, highlighted by this investigation outcome, which allows overseas funds into UK politics. We have made recommendations that would tighten the rules on campaign funding and deter breaches. We urge the UK's governments to act on those recommendations to support voter confidence"

In the context of an imminent General Election, this is really very concerning indeed.

Just WHO is in control? Cos it doesn't look like its Boris Johnson right now, thats for sure.

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flouncyfanny · 25/09/2019 20:09

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BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 20:10

Bercow:

"I am keenly conscious of the fact that there are members on both sides of the House and both sides of the Brexit argument
who have been personally threatened and whose families have been threatened."

CendrillonSings · 25/09/2019 20:11

It does occur to me that if he doesn’t show some humility after the laceration the Supreme Court gave him yesterday it’s difficult to imagine any circumstances in which he would.

You were perhaps expect him to curl up in a ball crying and beg for the craven commie to replace him? Doesn’t look like that’s going to happen, does it? Grin

Looks like the (eventual!) GE is going to be a battle for the ages!

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 20:11

Let Brexit through and it'll stop

If you don't .... ?

pointythings · 25/09/2019 20:13

Bear, if you think being polite and peaceful with hardened Leavers is going to achieve anything, you're incredibly naive. Nice, but naive.

And sometimes, just sometimes, we need to vent rather than taking the moral high ground. If we can't do it on MN, what safe space do we have left?

pumkinspicetime · 25/09/2019 20:13

This is what Trump does.
It works well with his base but even in the USA it isn't enough to keep everybody he really needs.

I wouldn't bank on it keeping enough people for BJ either. Although Corbyn is the gift that keeps on giving for the Tories.

flouncyfanny · 25/09/2019 20:14

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NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 20:15

Rory Stewart remonstrating with BJ asking him to moderate tone.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 20:16

I expect any normal PM to have respect for the UK Supreme Court
and to show contrition when found by them to have acted unlawfully

I have no such expectation of BJ
He has neither principles nor morals not respect for the institutions of the country he leads

He is the first PM that anyone can call a liar and sleazy, knowing that any libel or slander action would fail

I hope he will also achieve another first: the PM with shortest tenure

NoWordForFluffy · 25/09/2019 20:16

He's trying to goad a VoNC. I hope they don't fall for it. Prick.

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 25/09/2019 20:16

you can disagree with him all you like, he’s doing a better job getting support than all the rest put together

Those without the ability to critically analyse will happily lap up whatever nonsense they are fed from their "leader" because they need to be seen as part of the power group. Their self esteem and identity is wrapped up in being part of that power group and their tiny minds would implode if they were able to think beyond the end of their nose. They have drunk the political kool aid and there is no hope for them because they can not see it for the poison it is. I have no doubts however, that if bozo were to revoke then resign tomorrow then they would still sing his praises and call him a hero and claim he's done the right thing and they wanted that all along. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 20:17

BJ " What about the Humiliation Act"?

Bearbehind · 25/09/2019 20:17

if you think being polite and peaceful with hardened Leavers is going to achieve anything, you're incredibly naive. Nice, but naive.

So what does anything else achieve?

And sometimes, just sometimes, we need to vent rather than taking the moral high ground. If we can't do it on MN, what safe space do we have left?

Again, what does that achieve?

I’ve been there. I’ve ranted for 3 years. It’s achieved Jack Shit.

Actually, it’s worse than that, it’s made a Leavers dig in even more.

We need to no deal now and deal with the fall out ASAP.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 20:17

Lady Hermon could almost make me forgive NI voters for sending us the DUP Wink

Driedlimes · 25/09/2019 20:17

Go Rory
Johnson can't help but not answer the question & insult others in response.

Pathetic.

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 25/09/2019 20:19

I've switched off and come up to bed now as I feel like death warmed up. I'm catching up on the thread to keep me informed.

prettybird · 25/09/2019 20:19

Belinda - I refer you again to that song! Grin

Once heard, forever an ear worm Wink

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 20:19

Noword yes, he is trying to goad a VoNC for sure.

Bearbehind · 25/09/2019 20:19

Those without the ability to critically analyse will happily lap up whatever nonsense they are fed from their "leader" because they need to be seen as part of the power group. Their self esteem and identity is wrapped up in being part of that power group and their tiny minds would implode if they were able to think beyond the end of their nose. They have drunk the political kool aid and there is no hope for them because they can not see it for the poison it is. I have no doubts however, that if bozo were to revoke then resign tomorrow then they would still sing his praises and call him a hero and claim he's done the right thing and they wanted that all along. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

I don’t disagree with a word of that, but Remainers and, more importantly, the opposition, are doing fuck all to counter it.

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TheABC · 25/09/2019 20:20

Johnson is not going to negotiate a deal. That much is obvious.

He also can't be trusted to obey the law. So why wait until he is obligated to, by the Bern amendment?

My guess is: optics. Force him to do it or resign and then call for a VONC. So it's going to be a white-knuckle-ride until the end of October.

CendrillonSings · 25/09/2019 20:21

Although Corbyn is the gift that keeps on giving for the Tories.

Yep. You know how Labour conference agreed FOM? It did much more than that - it promises to give every resident of the UK the vote, citizen or not, with unlimited rights to family reunion and no criteria to limit immigration at all. Little short of global FOM!

Some might like this brave utopian idealism. But the Labour heartlands will go into cardiac arrest... that’s the dog that’s going to bark once the fuss over 11 judges has subsided.

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BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 20:21

Being polite won't get us anywhere either, bear

We can do little; only the Rebel Alliance / HoC can save us from No Deal

  • or the Tory spivs / donors behind Brexit deciding that they'd get a better payday from a different outcome

A least some Westministenders find name-calling on these threads can lower their stress levels

Personally, the cat & dog photos here do that for me
but each to their own

tobee · 25/09/2019 20:22

Yes just think what we say on these threads marvellous though they may be make any real difference, make any difference to anyone. When leavers come on here the demonstrate clearly they are already a lost cause.

It helps my blood pressure to be on here.

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