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Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 19:40

Parliament will reconvene tomorrow, at 11.30am, as if proroguation never happened as the Supreme Court ruled that the government acted outside the limits of its power and this was therefore unlawful.

The most senior court in the UK has ruled unaminously to defend Parliamentary Sovereignity and the Rule of British Law.

Unusually for a Wednesday there will be no PMQ, however there will be time for Ministerial Statements, UQ and Debate under S024.
See the abbreviation thread if you are struggling with these

So tomorrow is sure to be explosive on way or another.

The Government is hitting back by questioning the Supreme Court whilst also saying they respect the Supreme Court's authority. This is an oxymoron. Its being done for political reasons and is, in its own way, a direct threat to the Rule of Law.

Robert Buckland is, again, having to do a lot in Cabinet to assert the point of the importance of the Rule of Law and how it prevents mob rule. Something that seems to keep getting forgotten by anonymous No 10 sources.

The political fallout from the ruling is sure to lead to calls for the Supreme Court to be politically elected. This has been a long term goal of parts of the hard right.

Johnson, is currently in the US, so the announcement that parliament will be back tomorrow has rather spoilt his jolly to see his mate Donnie. He will have to get on a plane smartish.

But for all the hard talk there will also be ramifications for Johnson. Whilst there will be a lot of 'nothing has changed', and there is no chance of a VoNC in the HoC being tabled by the opposition whilst no deal is still on the table on the 31st Oct, there will still be problems for Johnson.

There will be a post mortem within his own party. The next Cabinet Meeting will almost certainly be explosive. There are already attempts to set Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General who apparently advised that proroguation was lawful, under the bus as the fall guy. This will perhaps be a deflection to try and protect Dominic Cummings, as there will be moderate Tories who will seek to use this as an opportunity to have him sacked. But more than this, its likely to result in other Cabinet Ministers being more forceful and to challenge Johnson more, both for their own political gain and for their own political protection. He will certainly be more questioned from within, about his poor judgement.

We also have him facing an investigation from the London Assembly over his conduct and suggestions of an inappropriate relationship with a busty blonde American woman.

Next weeks Conservative Party Conference is now in tatters. Whilst Corbyn has wrapped up the Labour Party Conference early to avoid a clash with Parliament being open, Johnson is stuffed. Next week's PMQ will clash with the schedule for his Party Speech. Normally parliament would be in recess for the conference season, but parliament has to vote to allow this. And there isn't a majority for the Conservatives to now be able to do this. So Parliament almost certainly will be sitting next week.

Unfortunately, the Tories are a little stuffed with their conference being held in Manchester. If (and lets face it, with the gloves off and time short) the opposition want to cause mischief, they will try and schedule crucial and embarassing debates during the party conference, to keep MPs stuck in Westminister as much as possible. And with good reason under the circumstances.

We still have the small matter of the 31st October deadline which Johnson is still sticking to saying we will either have a deal or we will leave without a deal - unlawfully.

Remember on that note, Johnson has already acted beyond his power and unlawfully on the basis of bad advice. Johnson being hulk, rather than a girly swat, relies on the advice of others more heavily than his own wisdom and experience - of which he has been exposed time and again - to be somewhat lacking in.

As a side note, its also worth reflecting on the NCA having dropped charges in relation to Leave.Eu and how the Electoral Commission has commented on this decision:
"We are concerned about the apparent weakness in the law, highlighted by this investigation outcome, which allows overseas funds into UK politics. We have made recommendations that would tighten the rules on campaign funding and deter breaches. We urge the UK's governments to act on those recommendations to support voter confidence"

In the context of an imminent General Election, this is really very concerning indeed.

Just WHO is in control? Cos it doesn't look like its Boris Johnson right now, thats for sure.

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NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 13:07

What a shit show this is, I'm old now, what a crap legacy this all will be for young people.
I also have a great urge to waterboard Cox, not a good state of mind for an old hippy.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 25/09/2019 13:09

I'm sorry. I'm sure you're making a very good point but I can't understand a word of the above.

That says more about you than you realise tbh

NoWordForFluffy · 25/09/2019 13:10

My mother is giving me the rage. I couldn't cope with Cox too. I think mother has been totally sucked in by the Mail. There is no reasoning with her. I'm really wound up by her refusal to understand why no GE now. I shouldn't even try really. No point. But the lack of trust in Corbyn and absolute trust in BoZo is horrifying.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 25/09/2019 13:10

Good to hear the Domestic Violence Bill being brought up. I hope they get that through before another prorogation is called.

EllebellyBeeblebrox · 25/09/2019 13:11

I've just seen Cox described as the "Brian Blessed of Bullshit". That's very apt. He needs to STFU about the general election too.

derxa · 25/09/2019 13:12

That says more about you than you realise tbh Grin

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 13:13

ooh. MP calling him out on " when did you stop beating wife"
Apols from Cox, "old saying at the Bar"

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 25/09/2019 13:14

No excuse

OhYouBadBadKitten · 25/09/2019 13:14

I can't believe his response is that that's what they were taught to say Shock

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 25/09/2019 13:15

I'm feeling a bit emotional but dear god I adore Bercow.

tobee · 25/09/2019 13:21

Cox is a nasty old relic.

zebrasdontwearbras · 25/09/2019 13:21

Yeah I'm going to miss Bercow, I think.

W0rriedMum · 25/09/2019 13:23

I think mother has been totally sucked in by the Mail. There is no reasoning with her.

@NoWordForFluffy - oh I know. There is no better vehicle for hate than the Daily Fail. It seems so innocent, with its sidebar of gossip but the campaign of hate it wages is vile.

Emilyontmoor · 25/09/2019 13:29

But the lack of trust in Corbyn and absolute trust in BoZo is horrifying. I know and it isn’t just my parents generation, it is a culture across generations. I got trolled last night on FB probably from the pub as a “JC lover” You are with us or against us..

thecatfromjapan · 25/09/2019 13:37

The Daily Mail is truly irresponsible with it's right-wing, hate-driven agenda. A reckless encourager of the most awful tendencies.

Myriade · 25/09/2019 13:38

The stuff with Laura K is [confusing]
If it’s the best she can find there isn’t a lot to find Grin]

DGRossetti · 25/09/2019 13:42

The Daily Mail was a cheerleader for fascism - in Nazi Germany and Britain - during the 1930s. They ran sycophantic fawning articles over how Hitler was just the sort of chap we needed in Britain to sort out our lower classes who had gotten a bit up themselves after the Great War (admittedly, they confined their spleen for the survivors).

Headlines like "Hurrah for the Blackshirts", and that nice Lord Rothermere did get to meet and admire Hitler in person.

So when it gets christened "The Daily Heil", there is some basis in fact.

I really can't be arsed, but I suspect that if you look at every advancement in society since WW1 - universal suffrage, womens rights, childrens rights, workers rights, then the Daily Mail will have been on the wrong side of progress every time.

Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament
MockersthefeMANist · 25/09/2019 13:46

why are there so many empty seats?

Not everyone can get back to Westminster at 24 hours notice.

...and now we're onto Bozza's Blonde.

Belindabelle · 25/09/2019 13:54

The chamber was full earlier on. This always happens. Once a debate gets underway those not asking a question with better things to do leave the chamber to go and get on with things. Given that they have not been sitting for some time I imagine there is a fair amount of constituent and committee work to be getting on with.

It will be back to standing room only later on for the PM statement.

TipseyTorvey · 25/09/2019 13:58

Am watching with interest but does anyone know who the men are standing next to Bercow feeding him papers? I've been to the HoP which was fascinating but so many rituals I don't know.

Belindabelle · 25/09/2019 13:58

I usually hate to see MP’s on their phones during a debate but Tom Watson just let it be known that Hacker House, the Jennifer Accuri company at the centre of the question on funding, appears to no longer exist! He has just tried to look at their website and got a Bad Gateway Error. Fancy that.

JuneFromBethesda · 25/09/2019 13:59

Cox is a nasty old relic

Sums it up nicely I think. The breathtaking arrogance of the man.

Angry
Belindabelle · 25/09/2019 14:00

Posted too soon. All that public money gone to a company that has disappeared.

DoctorTwo · 25/09/2019 14:06

Genuine call, to Farage, on LBC earlier;

MAN: “I just want to thank you Nigel, for all you’ve done for British politics. I was an ardent remainer. I voted remain. Until one moment that changed it all”

FARAGE: “Wow. And what was that moment?”

MAN: “I got kicked in the head by a horse.”

Whoever posted that on the last thread (possibly @DGRossetti ) thank you. It gave me a massive lol.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 25/09/2019 14:07

I did have a giggle earlier at Tulip Siddiq asking about Friends with Benefits cases Grin

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