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Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 19:40

Parliament will reconvene tomorrow, at 11.30am, as if proroguation never happened as the Supreme Court ruled that the government acted outside the limits of its power and this was therefore unlawful.

The most senior court in the UK has ruled unaminously to defend Parliamentary Sovereignity and the Rule of British Law.

Unusually for a Wednesday there will be no PMQ, however there will be time for Ministerial Statements, UQ and Debate under S024.
See the abbreviation thread if you are struggling with these

So tomorrow is sure to be explosive on way or another.

The Government is hitting back by questioning the Supreme Court whilst also saying they respect the Supreme Court's authority. This is an oxymoron. Its being done for political reasons and is, in its own way, a direct threat to the Rule of Law.

Robert Buckland is, again, having to do a lot in Cabinet to assert the point of the importance of the Rule of Law and how it prevents mob rule. Something that seems to keep getting forgotten by anonymous No 10 sources.

The political fallout from the ruling is sure to lead to calls for the Supreme Court to be politically elected. This has been a long term goal of parts of the hard right.

Johnson, is currently in the US, so the announcement that parliament will be back tomorrow has rather spoilt his jolly to see his mate Donnie. He will have to get on a plane smartish.

But for all the hard talk there will also be ramifications for Johnson. Whilst there will be a lot of 'nothing has changed', and there is no chance of a VoNC in the HoC being tabled by the opposition whilst no deal is still on the table on the 31st Oct, there will still be problems for Johnson.

There will be a post mortem within his own party. The next Cabinet Meeting will almost certainly be explosive. There are already attempts to set Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General who apparently advised that proroguation was lawful, under the bus as the fall guy. This will perhaps be a deflection to try and protect Dominic Cummings, as there will be moderate Tories who will seek to use this as an opportunity to have him sacked. But more than this, its likely to result in other Cabinet Ministers being more forceful and to challenge Johnson more, both for their own political gain and for their own political protection. He will certainly be more questioned from within, about his poor judgement.

We also have him facing an investigation from the London Assembly over his conduct and suggestions of an inappropriate relationship with a busty blonde American woman.

Next weeks Conservative Party Conference is now in tatters. Whilst Corbyn has wrapped up the Labour Party Conference early to avoid a clash with Parliament being open, Johnson is stuffed. Next week's PMQ will clash with the schedule for his Party Speech. Normally parliament would be in recess for the conference season, but parliament has to vote to allow this. And there isn't a majority for the Conservatives to now be able to do this. So Parliament almost certainly will be sitting next week.

Unfortunately, the Tories are a little stuffed with their conference being held in Manchester. If (and lets face it, with the gloves off and time short) the opposition want to cause mischief, they will try and schedule crucial and embarassing debates during the party conference, to keep MPs stuck in Westminister as much as possible. And with good reason under the circumstances.

We still have the small matter of the 31st October deadline which Johnson is still sticking to saying we will either have a deal or we will leave without a deal - unlawfully.

Remember on that note, Johnson has already acted beyond his power and unlawfully on the basis of bad advice. Johnson being hulk, rather than a girly swat, relies on the advice of others more heavily than his own wisdom and experience - of which he has been exposed time and again - to be somewhat lacking in.

As a side note, its also worth reflecting on the NCA having dropped charges in relation to Leave.Eu and how the Electoral Commission has commented on this decision:
"We are concerned about the apparent weakness in the law, highlighted by this investigation outcome, which allows overseas funds into UK politics. We have made recommendations that would tighten the rules on campaign funding and deter breaches. We urge the UK's governments to act on those recommendations to support voter confidence"

In the context of an imminent General Election, this is really very concerning indeed.

Just WHO is in control? Cos it doesn't look like its Boris Johnson right now, thats for sure.

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Belindabelle · 25/09/2019 14:09

James O’Brien has been playing that clip all morning. Hilarious.

DGRossetti · 25/09/2019 14:11

Seems it was "real" as in a prank call ...

twitter.com/Jpiinks/status/1176555483878043649

Hasenstein · 25/09/2019 14:13

DoctorTwo

In the interests of evidence, here's the clip Grin

Apileofballyhoo · 25/09/2019 14:16

Finally caught up with threads. It's hard to get stuff done and keep up.

Love the dog pictures.

I have nothing new to add. I'm not optimistic that things will improve.

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 25/09/2019 14:23

Cox needs a wet kipper to the face.

DGRossetti · 25/09/2019 14:30

Cox needs a wet kipper to the face

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Backpfeifengesicht

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 25/09/2019 14:31
Grin
DGRossetti · 25/09/2019 14:50

Remember that guy who spaffed £30,000 fighting a speeding fine froma couple of weeks ago.

Incredibly, he's done us all a favour and given a subsequent interview which is a psychology goldmine. I defy people not to tick boxes as they read it.

When I posted the original story, I suspected he'd be a leaver, but since it was less relevant than the actual story, decided not to comment. But I now invite people to have a guess, before reading ...

www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/doppler-effect-30k-speeding-fine-3358950

Tanith · 25/09/2019 15:03

I wonder if BJ's reference to Prometheus is more apt than he intended, given that the Eagle is a national symbol for the US (he likened Brexit to having your liver pecked out by an eagle for all eternity).

lonelyplanetmum · 25/09/2019 15:08

This whole authoritarian thing is so weird -as the speeding guy shows. Thinking about it my Brexitist father in law is one too.

Speeding guy clearly thinks he's above authority - yet I'm guessing by his Brexit stance he manifests authoritarian beliefs towards others. How can you on the one hand insist that people must obey completely and not have freedom to act as they wish when you do behave as if you had that freedom. It's weird.

DGRossetti · 25/09/2019 15:09

I wonder if BJ's reference to Prometheus is more apt than he intended, given that the Eagle is a national symbol for the US (he likened Brexit to having your liver pecked out by an eagle for all eternity).

Isn't knowing Greek mythology a bit elitist ? That said, Prometheus was punished for stealing fire from the Gods, as I recall (without wikiing ..), so how deep does the allusion go ?

Hoooo · 25/09/2019 15:10

Hmm.
Yet didn't Prometheus get punished by Zeus for his excessive love of mankind? (In giving them fire)
Boris loves boris.

DGRossetti · 25/09/2019 15:13

Speeding guy clearly thinks he's above authority

How many boxes did you tick Grin - it was like a full house of Brexit bingo.

DGRossetti · 25/09/2019 15:15

Speeding guy clearly thinks he's above authority

Also, notice his mild paranoia about an elite ....

"Of course they had to find me guilty or else the system would break", adding to his puffed up sense of self importance that he's somehow Iron Actons answer to Che Guevara, fighting a corrupt system for all (white) men (only men, mind you) everywhere.

Even in the brief chance he had to mention his wife, the patriarchal misogyny came across ....

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 15:25

Enter Gove, stage right.
( I wish my hospital consultant did not look like him)

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 15:31

Gove talking in an everything is sorted out tone.
NI now, "determined to uphold all Ireland functioning economy".
Done in a couple of lines. Moving on...rather too quickly...
Fin.

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 15:32

Starmer responds.

MockersthefeMANist · 25/09/2019 15:32

Boris more of an Icarus, currently doing loops shouting, "Weeeeeee!!!"

ContinuityError · 25/09/2019 15:35

Belindabelle

Hacker House still has an active web site by the looks - hacker.house/about/

It's still registered at Companies House, although the registered address seems to be a residential address in Prestbury (another company that Arcuri is a director of is also registered there).

The latest accounts (July 2018) make interesting reading though - involves a Director's Loan of over £700k?

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 15:37

Starmer asks about non docs.
Also11 September, Yellowhammer docs disclosed dated 2nd August (old docs with title redone)
Has this government produced it's own documents?
Clarification asked for on " constant updates" where are they?

MockersthefeMANist · 25/09/2019 15:40

On a Labour front bench filled with brown-noses and twats, Starmer shows alarming signs of competence.

MyNameIsArthur · 25/09/2019 15:41

PMK thank you

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 15:43

Gove is keeping his cool.

Myriade · 25/09/2019 15:48

Can I ask?
Am I the only that can’t find this thread in the Brexit thread or the ‘treads I am on’?

Weird things going on there

Apileofballyhoo · 25/09/2019 15:51

Yellowhammer as released is "worst case scenario" according to Gove. Hmm