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Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 19:40

Parliament will reconvene tomorrow, at 11.30am, as if proroguation never happened as the Supreme Court ruled that the government acted outside the limits of its power and this was therefore unlawful.

The most senior court in the UK has ruled unaminously to defend Parliamentary Sovereignity and the Rule of British Law.

Unusually for a Wednesday there will be no PMQ, however there will be time for Ministerial Statements, UQ and Debate under S024.
See the abbreviation thread if you are struggling with these

So tomorrow is sure to be explosive on way or another.

The Government is hitting back by questioning the Supreme Court whilst also saying they respect the Supreme Court's authority. This is an oxymoron. Its being done for political reasons and is, in its own way, a direct threat to the Rule of Law.

Robert Buckland is, again, having to do a lot in Cabinet to assert the point of the importance of the Rule of Law and how it prevents mob rule. Something that seems to keep getting forgotten by anonymous No 10 sources.

The political fallout from the ruling is sure to lead to calls for the Supreme Court to be politically elected. This has been a long term goal of parts of the hard right.

Johnson, is currently in the US, so the announcement that parliament will be back tomorrow has rather spoilt his jolly to see his mate Donnie. He will have to get on a plane smartish.

But for all the hard talk there will also be ramifications for Johnson. Whilst there will be a lot of 'nothing has changed', and there is no chance of a VoNC in the HoC being tabled by the opposition whilst no deal is still on the table on the 31st Oct, there will still be problems for Johnson.

There will be a post mortem within his own party. The next Cabinet Meeting will almost certainly be explosive. There are already attempts to set Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General who apparently advised that proroguation was lawful, under the bus as the fall guy. This will perhaps be a deflection to try and protect Dominic Cummings, as there will be moderate Tories who will seek to use this as an opportunity to have him sacked. But more than this, its likely to result in other Cabinet Ministers being more forceful and to challenge Johnson more, both for their own political gain and for their own political protection. He will certainly be more questioned from within, about his poor judgement.

We also have him facing an investigation from the London Assembly over his conduct and suggestions of an inappropriate relationship with a busty blonde American woman.

Next weeks Conservative Party Conference is now in tatters. Whilst Corbyn has wrapped up the Labour Party Conference early to avoid a clash with Parliament being open, Johnson is stuffed. Next week's PMQ will clash with the schedule for his Party Speech. Normally parliament would be in recess for the conference season, but parliament has to vote to allow this. And there isn't a majority for the Conservatives to now be able to do this. So Parliament almost certainly will be sitting next week.

Unfortunately, the Tories are a little stuffed with their conference being held in Manchester. If (and lets face it, with the gloves off and time short) the opposition want to cause mischief, they will try and schedule crucial and embarassing debates during the party conference, to keep MPs stuck in Westminister as much as possible. And with good reason under the circumstances.

We still have the small matter of the 31st October deadline which Johnson is still sticking to saying we will either have a deal or we will leave without a deal - unlawfully.

Remember on that note, Johnson has already acted beyond his power and unlawfully on the basis of bad advice. Johnson being hulk, rather than a girly swat, relies on the advice of others more heavily than his own wisdom and experience - of which he has been exposed time and again - to be somewhat lacking in.

As a side note, its also worth reflecting on the NCA having dropped charges in relation to Leave.Eu and how the Electoral Commission has commented on this decision:
"We are concerned about the apparent weakness in the law, highlighted by this investigation outcome, which allows overseas funds into UK politics. We have made recommendations that would tighten the rules on campaign funding and deter breaches. We urge the UK's governments to act on those recommendations to support voter confidence"

In the context of an imminent General Election, this is really very concerning indeed.

Just WHO is in control? Cos it doesn't look like its Boris Johnson right now, thats for sure.

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 25/09/2019 12:39

Does that mean we can safely call a get election now?

Do you trust them? I sure as fuck dont, when we know weve secured the extension then we call for 1

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 25/09/2019 12:40

How bloody revolting
She has form, some very recent.

derxa · 25/09/2019 12:42

She has form, some very recent. Give me some examples

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 25/09/2019 12:42

Does that mean we can safely call a get election now?
Hell no.

CrunchyCarrot · 25/09/2019 12:43

Johnson's back to speak to the House at around 4.30 - 5:00 p.m. - ish

Alsohuman · 25/09/2019 12:43

Does that mean we can safely call a get election now?

Not before 31 October. It’s going to be a loooooong five and a bit weeks.

QueenOfThorns · 25/09/2019 12:43

I thought they were desperate to get back into Parliament and having the opportunity to discuss really important matters, how can they accuse BJ of denying them the opportunity of being able to get on with important business when all they are doing since they "re opened" is argue, shout and try and be witty and clever.

I think that’s the usual approach to important business in the HoC! At least, the arguing and shouting part is Grin

nauticant · 25/09/2019 12:45

Radio 5 Live is very entertaining listening about this.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 25/09/2019 12:46

derxa only last week, outing someone by name and as a labour activist. BBC Trust themselves have criticised her previously on her impartiality.

HunkyDory69 · 25/09/2019 12:46

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onalongsabbatical · 25/09/2019 12:48

3 remainers being vox-popped in a pub in Congleton on Sky news now! Unusual.

Belindabelle · 25/09/2019 12:49

Is anyone wearing spider brooches or the t shirt?

derxa · 25/09/2019 12:51

only last week, outing someone by name and as a labour activist
But he was a Labour activist and he himself said that she was doing her job

Alsohuman · 25/09/2019 12:51

Not yet @Belindabelle.

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 25/09/2019 12:51

"I, and she" with pointed finger. How fecking rude. Is it grammatically correct? My head is mush.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 25/09/2019 12:54

Fuck me they're using some very very dangerous language today

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 12:58

Cox in reply to question: " That is what we used to call in advocacy a when did you stop beating your wife question"
ffs

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 25/09/2019 12:58

But he was a Labour activist and he himself said that she was doing her job
So what's so revolting in assuming she'd reveal someone else voted Labour in the past as if it has a bearing on actions that are taking place if it were indeed a fact? It's not revolting to assume someone who reports in such a manner would report in such a manner. You're creating a circular argument.

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 25/09/2019 12:59

Very poor choice of phrase there referring to domestic violence and grinning. I need more tea.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 25/09/2019 13:02

I, like all of you, am getting the rage watching this.

EllebellyBeeblebrox · 25/09/2019 13:03

Can't believe what I'm watching, I didn't realise what a pompous tit Geoffrey Cox is. And the "when did you stop beating your wife" comment with a smirk had me shouting at the TV. Feel so angry and frustrated about all of it right now.

derxa · 25/09/2019 13:03

So what's so revolting in assuming she'd reveal someone else voted Labour in the past as if it has a bearing on actions that are taking place if it were indeed a fact? It's not revolting to assume someone who reports in such a manner would report in such a manner. You're creating a circular argument. I'm sorry. I'm sure you're making a very good point but I can't understand a word of the above.

NotaRealLawyer · 25/09/2019 13:04

Cox admits did not give BJ legal advice prior to BJ speaking to Queen yesterday following ruling.

EllebellyBeeblebrox · 25/09/2019 13:04

And sorry if this is a thick question but why are there so many empty seats?
Also just watching Sam gyimah, I like him.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 25/09/2019 13:05

I'm sure you can't Hmm