Please tell me specifically how Brexit will affect you

[ConorMcGregorsChin]

Exactly that.

To the average Joe on the street, they may not have thought it may affect their job.
Even for those who trade daily with the EU
Remainers seem to be constantly poo pooed.
Its been said on these threads before that Leavers would rather leave with No Deal and still brazenly say that this is what they wanted all along, rather than admit that belonging to the EU never really crossed their mind on a daily basis. Or that they were lied to.

The UK has been divided since the Referendum in 2016. Personally, I've been gutted. I had a fellow parent the day after tell me he was 'Buzzing' at the result. I'm sorry to say I think his reasons were misguided.

My own personal experience may be biased, but I give talks to schools. And I have nothing to gain from this.
Most people agree that bees need to be saved. The EU have played a crucial role in banning neoincotinoid pesticides from being used. The UK will overturn this rule and let farmers use whatever they like. This is a massive deal. This will kill bees. And it will happen overnight. Not to mention other things like the Domestic abusive bill being abandoned.

I'm keen to know why anyone would post union Jack flags and just claim that they want their country back. Aside from racial elements. I really want to know what people seriously think we can gain from this total shit storm.

Cross post with ThatCurlyGirl.

@CactusAndCacti

We dropped it into the surgery today and I have just started on my last box. So this week and next. I can't stockpile them as I need to take them

Exactly the same here - I can't stockpile because I can now only get a month at a time due to there being no set plan in place for 31 October. Even if a plan was made and agreed today the supply chain has been disrupted so much that there will still be a shortage.

I don't understand why (a couple of) people aren't grasping what you and I and others are saying.

For example my epilepsy is not like a headache where you can wait a few days for some paracetamol. These are life saving, controlled medicines. You can't take half for a week or two and hope for the best.

I'm starting to think a certain poster is just being deliberately goady now due to their utter lack of any kindness in response to people in very scary situations. Surely even an absolute dickhead would at the bare minimum say "yeah that sounds horrible, but...".

As I said I hope people with so little concern for vulnerable people in our society with serious illnesses never have to experience one themselves or care for a loved on who does.

*I find it baffling that on a thread like this where people are sharing genuine fears that even if you don't agree with people, you are unable to include even an ounce of sympathy or empathy for their fears in your posts.

I think those of us who have sat with medical professionals in appointments and been told there will be shortages are probably a bit more informed on this than those who haven't.*

The idea that some guy/gal equipped with google and a list of Brexit Party talking points knows more than the professionals is peak Brexit.

I'm not sure it will tbh.

@Mistigri

The idea that some guy/gal equipped with google and a list of Brexit Party talking points knows more than the professionals is peak Brexit

It really is isn't it? It's so sad to see society being stripped of its kindness and empathy.

Ironically stress obviously brings on seizures and I've got so pissed off with some posters blindly spinning the "scaremongering" line that I'm going to sign off for a while!

We will all Iive in less welcoming country. Racists will thrive.
Our fellow citizens will suffer.
We will eventually have a private health service entirely.
Poverty will escalate.
Being old will be much much worse than now.
Our children will not have the rights we have.
Lord knows what will happen in Northern Ireland. Or Scotland.

YES that is some of how it will.affect me.

Economically I will be fine, DH and I could move abroad if needed, offers have been made. Have a sister with a severely life limiting condition, 5 of her drugs are on the list of those likely to be affected. She could easily die in the worst case scenario. Mentally though it has been devastating. I do not like the new England at all. The idea that ignorance is a virtue and overrides expertise is terrifying. The fact that people are so unwilling to learn from history. And the exhaustion of wondering whether each person you meet voted Leave or Remain (and making assumptions on the back of that). Wrong perhaps, but I bet we all do it. It's just awful and I wish it would just go away.

Girl.

you are unable to include even an ounce of sympathy or empathy for their fears in your posts.

Earlier I posted;

"The Epilepsy Society has some reassuring information about contingency plans."

In fact, I haven't had time to read most of the posts on this thread.

On other threads I have suggested that the poster contact Diabetes UK for support - rather than believe misinformation on mumsnet. It is concerning that the poster on this thread whose child has diabetes thinks the insulin manufacturers are ill prepared for Brexit - when clearly they are very well prepared indeed:

Novo Nordisk issued a press release in April;

"As the biggest insulin supplier in the UK and with 95 years of
innovation in diabetes care, Novo Nordisk is committed to ensuring patients’ medicine supplies are unaffected whatever the outcome of Brexit. Novo Nordisk has been preparing for Brexit for three years and has planned for all future contingencies."

More from the Epilepsy Society here;

www.epilepsysociety.org.uk/news/how-manage-shortage-epilepsy-medications-01-04-2019

"We are receiving many calls to our Helpline alongside online enquiries from people who are experiencing difficulties in getting their epilepsy medication.Here, our medical director Professor Ley Sander looks at the problem and explains what you can do to manage the situation and how the Government is tackling current shortages."

"Epilepsy medication is vital.The last thing you want to hear when you go to pick up a prescription from your pharmacist is that they can't get hold of the medication, are out of stock or that they suggest you switch to a different version."

"But medicines shortages are an ongoing issue. Which is why I want to take time to explain how you can help to manage the situation when shortages affect your medication, and what Government and the pharmaceutical industry are doing to mitigate and resolve the situation."

"Why you shouldn't stockpile medicines"

"But I know from conversations in clinics that many patients are finding ways to stockpile their medicines themselves.We understand people's concerns, however this has the potential to create a shortage of medication itself. It could mean some people may not get the medication they need. It is important for everyone to stay calm and follow their normal routine when it comes to getting a repeat prescription."

"DHSC's post Brexit contingency plans are the most effective way to ensure that everyone has a consistent supply of their medication."

"There is a much used slogan that crops up in every walk of life at the moment - keep calm and carry on. But I think in this circumstance it says it all.There are medicines shortages across all health conditions and sometimes this involves epilepsy drugs.But there are dedicated experts whose sole job is to monitor and mitigate for these shortages and if we can all just stay calm and breathe through Brexit, I cannot guarantee that the problems will go away, but together we will cope. We are on your side."

"What is causing the drug shortages?"

"The production and supply of medicines is very complex and problems can occur for many reasons. But it is not a problem that has arisen because of the likelihood that the UK will leave the EU.This has certainly fuelled anxiety and there is a very real concern that Brexit could exacerbate the situation. But the reality is that there have been problems with the supply chain for more than 10 years."

It will not effect me at all. Remaining will not make me better off either.

It will not effect me at all

Don’t you believe it

See, I know I can get stuff sent from the EU (and would happily do so for other people), but how will it actually get here?

Parcels will be checked more thoroughly (this is already happening) and will probably be delayed, they were delayed last spring as well btw. Sending stuff by post is more expensive and generally speaking the parcels are a lot smaller and a lot of places aren't happy to accept medicine anyway- at least officially.

A relative of mine is considering moving back to Poland.
She still has an accent otherwise you'd never even know she was 'forrin'.
She's been here for almost 20 years, is married to a UK citizen & has (well mannered, A stream) children in secondary school who were born in this country.
She's an NHS midwife & her workload is enormous because there just aren't enough of them.
She's already experienced a lot of verbal abuse & been told to 'go back home' including by some of the mothers-to-be she has to deal with.
I know it has upset her enough she's had more than one good cry over feeling like random people hate her.

She has to apply for settled status if she wants to keep working (too hard for not that great pay) & putting up with shit in order to stay here even though her life is here now & has been for a long time.

I don't actually like her (as a person she drives me mad) but I don't want to see her feeling scared to go to the corner shop or hounded out of her home like this just because she was born somewhere else.

Someone else I know managed to keep their job, unlike over 400 people in the same company who were let go a couple of weeks back after Boris got his tinfoil crown & they were told straight out it was because of Brexit.

I'll bet there are many other companies who have done the same thing.

That's 400 new jobs heading off somewhere else in the world & they won't be coming back here because of Brexit.

I also know a number of small business owners who've had to close down their businesses due to Brexit already.
Orders are not coming in because of all the uncertainty & they can't even guess what's going to happen if they rely on materials or custom from the EU.

@Clavinova

you are unable to include even an ounce of sympathy or empathy for their fears in your posts

Sorry for confusion this was in response to another poster not you. They have persistently dismissed the experience of many other posters in a particularly thoughtless way.

Appreciate you sharing the links. Unfortunately my meds are not covered by any contingency plans. I've been seen at the National Epilepsy Centre in Chalfont in the last week and have been told that unfortunately.

I obviously can't speak for all people who have epilepsy, but as per the thread so far there are many medications that are affected by shortages. And more that will be depending on deals struck in the next few months.

I really am signing off now I just didn't want you to think that my comment re kindness was aimed at you

Mentally though it has been devastating. I do not like the new England at all. The idea that ignorance is a virtue and overrides expertise is terrifying. The fact that people are so unwilling to learn from history. And the exhaustion of wondering whether each person you meet voted Leave or Remain (and making assumptions on the back of that). Wrong perhaps, but I bet we all do it. It's just awful and I wish it would just go away.

That pretty much sums up how I feel.

It will affect me, I don't know how though?
I think it will be worse than many anticipate.

Goad = to provoke or annoy....this topic will always provoke a reaction in the current political climate!

Funnily enough, people do tend to feel a tad peeved about being stripped of their rights and having their lives turned upside down without a say in the matter. Not to mention having their health put at risk.

Christ on a pushbike ...

Thatcurlygirl - That isn't my opinion it is what pharmacists have said, there is a global problem with medication not due to brexit, said by pharmacists, not something I have made up.

I have already said, I am on life saving medication and I have not had a problem being able to get mine, my consultant when asked, did not foresee any problems either.

@ThatCurlyGirl
Thank you - hope everything works out well for you.

Cactus and Cacti - I can honestly say that I have never looked at anyone and wondered whether they voted leave or remain. No one I know in real life even talks about Brexit. Everyone just seems to be getting on with their every day life.

Of course some medication will be fine, the list is only 56 items long, that is a drop in the ocean of the number of different medication given out. If you are on one of the medications on the list then it is very very likely to have a massive effect. It is rarely a case of just being able to have another instead or just stopping the medication.

Be thankful your meds aren't, and have sympathy for those who are. it isn't that difficult

Well some of us work in sectors where it is having or likely to have an effect, we don't have the 'luxury' of just getting on with life.

I'm a scientist. things that have already happened include

• student exchange programs between UK and European universities have been cancelled because no one knows what will happen on 31st Oct
• UK scientists have been demoted in big collaborative grants because it would be crazy to have a big EU grant led by a UK lab at the moment. The risk that funding is cut off for everyone is too big. The UK scientists get to take last place in the list of labs if they are included at all.

Things that will happen if a no-deal Brexit takes place

• scientific funds for EU grants will be cut off overnight. that means 100s of talented scientists working on important projects will lose their jobs.
• it will be harder for good European scientists to bring their labs & expertise to the UK
• it will be harder for UK students to get training and/or study in Europe.

And the general decline in trust in the UK and the fact that I have to apologise for the government every time I meet colleagues is not good.

My husband's job can only be done from an EU country so if we Brexit, he has to move to France. My work is in the UK and cannot be done from France. I don't speak French.

I face the risk of not having a job in France, lose my career, which in turn halves our household income (my husband and I earn practically the same and are both equally career oriented).

Alternatively, I have to continue working in the UK and we have a long distance marriage, whilst our children stay with me. We then have to maintain two households, one in France and one in the UK with increased expenses and my children will grow up without their father.

I know several other families affected in the same way.

That's how Brexit affects us so forgive me, if beyond what it's doing to society as a whole, I think it's a disaster!

Cactus and Cacti - But that list has not been recognised by the DHSC. They are saying that it was irresponsible for the online pharmacy to publish it because it will make people worry unnecessarily.

Its already affected dh. He works in academic research and was part of an international team bidding for EU funding for a significant long-term project.

The day after the referendum he and his organisation were dropped by the rest of the team as the funding was dependent on all parties being part of the EU for the duration of the project.

Since then there have been other funding opportunities he's been unable to apply for as we won't be in the EU. It is very stressful for him and he will potentially lose his job if he can't attract funding. Other academics are in a similar position.

I work in the NHS and the strain on the system is massive. If many Eastern Europeans leave and new ones don't have the right to come here then the NHS will be in meltdown. Where I live and work not only are there many EU doctors, nurses and AHPs, the support staff (cleaners, porters etc) are mainly from EU countries.