Please tell me specifically how Brexit will affect you

[ConorMcGregorsChin]

Exactly that.

To the average Joe on the street, they may not have thought it may affect their job.
Even for those who trade daily with the EU
Remainers seem to be constantly poo pooed.
Its been said on these threads before that Leavers would rather leave with No Deal and still brazenly say that this is what they wanted all along, rather than admit that belonging to the EU never really crossed their mind on a daily basis. Or that they were lied to.

The UK has been divided since the Referendum in 2016. Personally, I've been gutted. I had a fellow parent the day after tell me he was 'Buzzing' at the result. I'm sorry to say I think his reasons were misguided.

My own personal experience may be biased, but I give talks to schools. And I have nothing to gain from this.
Most people agree that bees need to be saved. The EU have played a crucial role in banning neoincotinoid pesticides from being used. The UK will overturn this rule and let farmers use whatever they like. This is a massive deal. This will kill bees. And it will happen overnight. Not to mention other things like the Domestic abusive bill being abandoned.

I'm keen to know why anyone would post union Jack flags and just claim that they want their country back. Aside from racial elements. I really want to know what people seriously think we can gain from this total shit storm.

@Graphista No need to apologise, I could have left if I wanted to but DH and I decided to stay, hoping Scotland would eventually become independent. If it doesn't within the next few years, we are out of here though.
Funnily enough, my accent is always mistaken as South African or New Zealandic, both clearly countries immigrants are welcomed from, as long as they have the right skin colour, of course...

Our Asian and Black friends have mostly been fine but I think things have developed very differently in England and Scotland after the referendum. I lived in both, and England always felt a little less welcoming and "oh, look at those pesky little immigrants doing our work for us". SO many nazi songs song to me and others when people found out we were from central and northern Europe (mixed team, many nationalities). I lived in the South, though, in Tory heaven. Even the friends of friends leavers I refuse to speak with live in England and I only saw them at big gatherings 2-3x a year. However, I am also well aware that not every single English person has turned into a nazi.

Scotland on the other side always felt nothing but welcoming and the support we have had since the referendum has been overwhelming. I didn't need any but could have had free legal advice (brought in by most big employers, our local council offered drop-ins, citizen advice did something similiar) and because I am in HE, free counselling. I know some private counsellors gave "Brexit" discounts because the NHS couldn't cope (they called it something else but that is what it boils down to). Some support options are easier to find than others and most are in bigger cities, but still. The Scottish government also ran an information campaign way before Westminster even thought about one.

And of course, there is that pro-EU ad, and what can I say, I like a man with a nice Scottish accent

It sometimes feels like a parallel universe, to be honest.

Interesting
From your link;

"No-deal Brexit:Tens of thousands of lorries with ‘wrong paperwork’ to be turned away at ports, secret government documents reveal."

"In Liverpool, Holyhead and Portsmouth about two-thirds of vehicles would not be allowed into the port, the Department for Transport (DfT) papers, stamped “official sensitive”, show."

I very much doubt that two thirds of vehicles won't have the correct paperwork by the time we leave.

Even so;

"Mr Vernon-Jackson (leader of Portsmouth County Council) said triage points and lorry parks had been created so drivers without the right documents could download and print what they needed."

"He said: "We can't allow government inaction and inefficiency to crucify Portsmouth" (in the event of a no-deal Brexit)."

Councillor Vernon-Jackson CBE is a Liberal Democrat and the council own and operate the port themselves. If the Liberal Democrat leader of Portsmouth CC says they are prepared for an extra 2,000 trucks a day and the port is ready for a no-deal Brexit - it must be true!

I am pleased that businesses are being proactive. It will be them who will try and make sure things run ok. It will be no thanks to the government.

I forgot to point out that the Portsmouth CC references were from a BBC news report last month.

It will be no thanks to the government.

Under Theresa May's direction certainly - she wasn't seriously preparing for a 'no-deal' scenario.

Graphista - I like how the independent use the word alleged. Wonder what they're worried about!

I suspect Clavinova that you don't know how the traffic splits between the ports. Portsmouth might be ready, but I suspect it doesn't have the traffic of Holyhead. Even then, there can be some nasty queues getting to the port at Portsmouth, as probably anyone who has caught a ferry from there knows.

But hey, Clavinova cuts and pastes, so it must be so!

"hoping Scotland would eventually become independent" you in Scotland too? The appetite for independence here is definitely growing with the brexit mess! I voted no in indyref but now I'd vote yes. Lots of people saying same.

I've scots family/friends that have experienced racism here too we're not immune to it, but what the ones in England have experienced, especially the south is way worse!

"I very much doubt that two thirds of vehicles won't have the correct paperwork by the time we leave." Why? When there's potentially less than 60 days to go?!

"If the Liberal Democrat leader of Portsmouth CC says they are prepared for an extra 2,000 trucks a day and the port is ready for a no-deal Brexit - it must be true!" 😂😂😂 as we say up here? Aye right!!!

"Graphista - I like how the independent use the word alleged. Wonder what they're worried about!" Oh come on! That's standard legalese arse covering! Doesn't mean what they've written isn't true - do you REALLY think they'd have even printed it if they weren't already quite sure?

yellowallpaper
No one knows until it happens. Daft question

No one knows for sure what will happen when they step off a cliff edge. There are various possibilities (depending on the height of the cliff edge and other factors). None of them are pleasant. Some will involve paralysis. Some will be fatal.
Those with better medical knowledge (some might call them "experts") will be better placed to indicate potential outcomes than laypeople, if you ask them to before you take the step. You might be inclined to take their advice, if stepping was a choice you could make freely.

Does the degree of uncertainty as to actual outcomes suggest that stepping off a cliff edge is a good idea?

Some people on here have already felt the effects of Brexit, and provided first-hand accounts.
Not such a daft question, then, since there is already a whole range of answers, showing a certain trend.

No one knows for sure what will happen when they step off a cliff edge.

This reminds me of a school friend when we were on a field course. She slipped right near a steep 200 foot drop, and luckily managed to grab at a long tussock of grass right at the edge, with which she checked her fall. Whew! We all kept well away from the edge after that.

You BeLeavers might not have some suitably placed vegetation.

Graphista - Doesn't mean what they've said is true either.

I think 2 things need to be taken into account

1 the report is based on documents created by a govt department

2 that SAME govt dept has basically declined to comment on the matter

The LACK of information being provided to us is appalling

The biggest effect for me was the month after the vote, my pension immediately went down by 250 euros, a month. I live in France and my teachers' pension is calculated on the exchange rate the last day of the month. It's always a surprise whatever I get, but is a lot less than it was in May 2016.

The wonderful French health system may, or may not be available to us free of charge, we don't know yet.

I can apply for a carte de séjour, but our department has stopped applications until there is an actual Brexit.

In 12 months time we will be able to apply for French nationality (joint so I won't lose the UK passport), but it isn't an easy process, but will be worth it.

I often think, bitterly that the Brexiteers will get what they deserve, but unfortunately so will all the people I love in the UK, my children, family and friends.

I often think, bitterly that the Brexiteers will get what they deserve, but unfortunately so will all the people I love in the UK, my children, family and friends.

Yes, this ^^ very much so. My family and friends in the UK are 90% Remainers and I worry about how the likely economic effects will impact on them. Many of them live in a strongly Leave area and are far from the glib "middle-class metropolitan elite" stereotype.

Not to mention the younger members of the family losing the FOM rights the older generations have enjoyed and benefited from.

Yes, FrauFlamingo - I also meant not just the people I love, but everyone that will suffer because of it. This thread has really given me pause for thought.

As for Freedom of Movement - a bit anecdotal I know, but 2 'friends' of mine spent 15 years or so living in Spain and France and enjoying all the benefits of this, then went back just before the vote and voted Brexit. No sense of irony whatsover.

I'll probably have less money because the cost of food will increase. I might not have enough of my daily meditation (luckily it's not a life threatening condition but it causes me considerable discomfort without it). There aren't many places to be employed where I live (as many factories have shut down over the years), I fear this will get worse. May affect my dcs employment chances in years to come. Affects my dcs opportunities as the option of living and studying In Europe will be gone.

I work (freelance) for publishers, who are as an industry extremely worried about the impact of Brexit for various reasons (EU staff buggering off out of the UK; supply chain issues; US and other overseas publishers taking advantage of the UK no longer having tariff-free access to EU markets to grab book rights, etc etc).
If and when the industry shrinks and diminishes, so does my work. And it's already hard and not especially lucrative.

Also, we have to think about selling our house in the not-too-distant future and prices are already stagnating and may well only get worse.

I'm well aware that these are not immediately life- or health-threatening issues like some of those on here (although I and many of my friends/family are quite dependent on the NHS), but this is how it will immediately affect me.

twitter.com/bbcpolitics/status/1174291989203959808?s=21

Boris is putting his foot in it against when meeting the parent of a sick child whilst he’s doing an election visit to a hospital

Just clinked on Parker's link -

Laura Kuenssberg has tweeted;

"Turns out the man who challenged the PM is also a Labour activist."

...and?

Are they not allowed to have sick children or to be angry about the state of the NHS?

It’s irrelevant which political party the father supports. The worse was Boris saying there were no press there!

It’s irrelevant which political party the father supports.

Obviously not irrelevant to Laura Kuenssberg.

there were no press there

Perhaps it was just the BBC?

I’d hardly think Boris goes anywhere without a full contingent of press reporters. Sky were there as well as newspaper reporters

Anyone who has watched that clip of Boris in the hospital today should feel nothing but utter despair and dismay.
This is not what my thread was about, but of course it was always going to be about sides, ultimately.

But fucking seriously, if anyone has read any of the posts on here. Things that have actually happened already. Major impacts on human beings. And can comment without an ounce of sympathy, well that just totally demonstrates the divide.

I've been sneeringly called a Lefty. Yeah, fine. I'm ok with that. Thanks. But still, all I'm hearing from the other side is but, but, but, democracy, but, but, but Leave means Leave. For fucks sake, people's lives are already changing. Have changed. Jobs have been lost already.

I did not ask for leavers or remainers opinions. However, what I got was succinct and eloquent replies (sometimes quite devastating) from some. And the usual 'Get a grip / it won't affect me / of course 'they' won't allow medicinal shortages / nobody knows so why worry / oh yet another goady thread' shit.

If I know you in real life, you are no friend of mine.

I know of a couple of folk who spout shit.
There have been a few posters lately saying Mumsnet is largely left wing, and it's pointless posting otherwise on here.
No. If you have a valid political opinion, and you can back it up with fact, then yes, most Mumsnetters will listen and debate. And respect.

I'll say that again, Respect.

I did not ask for leavers or remainers opinions.

But your opening post ends with this;

"I'm keen to know why anyone would post union Jack flags and just claim that they want their country back. Aside from racial elements. I really want to know what people seriously think we can gain from this total shit storm."