Please tell me specifically how Brexit will affect you

[ConorMcGregorsChin]

Exactly that.

To the average Joe on the street, they may not have thought it may affect their job.
Even for those who trade daily with the EU
Remainers seem to be constantly poo pooed.
Its been said on these threads before that Leavers would rather leave with No Deal and still brazenly say that this is what they wanted all along, rather than admit that belonging to the EU never really crossed their mind on a daily basis. Or that they were lied to.

The UK has been divided since the Referendum in 2016. Personally, I've been gutted. I had a fellow parent the day after tell me he was 'Buzzing' at the result. I'm sorry to say I think his reasons were misguided.

My own personal experience may be biased, but I give talks to schools. And I have nothing to gain from this.
Most people agree that bees need to be saved. The EU have played a crucial role in banning neoincotinoid pesticides from being used. The UK will overturn this rule and let farmers use whatever they like. This is a massive deal. This will kill bees. And it will happen overnight. Not to mention other things like the Domestic abusive bill being abandoned.

I'm keen to know why anyone would post union Jack flags and just claim that they want their country back. Aside from racial elements. I really want to know what people seriously think we can gain from this total shit storm.

I have had 4 families move to the EU because of Brexit; their jobs here were dissolved and they were asked to relocate and did. One of the families worked for EMA and I miss them the most as our kids were very close. All of them have kids and all of them were in STEM, which is a great loss to our country.

Personally my mental health has taken a huge kick and I suffer anxiety badly, especially when deadlines come up with Brexit. I often think what a different childhood my daughter would have had over the last 3 years if we could have just carried on as we were. I've considered moving and applied for MA's in another country but sadly my dad is alone here and I can't bring myself to leave him in his old age.

My best friend from school's mum was sectioned last week due to the medicine shortages, the same day she was told her own meds weren't available any more and she would have to go onto the exact same ones (both bipolar). I worry that these are the people who will fall through the cracks when things change in our daily lives. They will be blamed if they have episodes and hospitals will have to turn them away.

Brexit has meant that my child now openly talks about leaving the country for a better life, she is 8 .

I work in the healthcare sector in drug approvals.

With Brexit, aside from medication shortages, UK will not be a tier 1 launch country any longer. In other words, we will not get a new drug first. Currently, all our medicines are received under the European label. We will not be part of that anymore so a completely separate drug licence application will have to be sought for the UK. Currently this applies to markets such as Israel and Turkey who are also not part of Europe and realistically get new products much later. Similarly, we will be prioritised after the US and Europe due to the bureaucratic nature of the process and the fact that we will not have a licence immediately, alongside the rest of the EU.

So if you are a cancer patient, eagerly awaiting a new drug for instance, you will get it 5-10 years after someone in France, Germany, US or Sweden.

Rodent01

I've already had to change one of my medications as the one I was on has hit problems indirectly due to brexit. I'm on another which if affected not getting it can make me extremely ill up to and including fatally. Dd is on 2 meds on the shortage list which make her able to function/work

I have 2 relatives who are type 1 diabetics who could well be affected. Another who is type 2 and another who is extremely ill and on over 100 meds a day several of which are on the shortage list.

Quite a number of family/friends work at companies that trade with the eu directly selling products to eu countries as their main customers so they don't know if they'll still have jobs.

I'm disabled and on benefits (so DEFINITELY not wealthy middle class @pennyjane89 !!) and struggle financially already. Huge price rises would be extremely difficult to manage. I have been trying to stockpile a little since January but due to lack of funds and space to store it's been difficult.

I live in a remain area BUT it's also a very deprived area and so I don't think it would take much MORE hardship for there to likely be an increase in crime including looting and people kicking off in the shops - already happened when beast from the east led to empty shelves.

I too am sick of our concerns being dismissed as "project fear" especially as healthcare and industry experts have said the problems likely to occur and now even the govt has been forced to admit at least a LITTLE that there WILL be problems!

Pennyjane89 - how much are your outgoings? Can you afford to spend 40% MORE on them overnight? That's not remainer info by the way but govts own estimate of likely price rises taking into account higher tariffs etc

I have a fair few friends and family who live and work in EU countries. They've mostly decided to take up citizenship of those countries but are worried if that doesn't happen before October 31st if no deal happens then where they'll stand and also worry about travel back to uk to see family post brexit. Some work for uk companies in Eu countries and don't know if they'll have jobs, if they'll get paid or what!

"I believe this winter will lead to thousands (tens of thousands?) of unnecessary deaths" I completely agree. I'm an ex nurse who mainly worked in geriatric care. I've worked through major flu outbreaks, the junior dr crisis and Tory cuts in the early 90's THAT was bad enough - this is on a WHOLE other scale! Personally I wouldn't be at all surprised if a combination of factors (brexit, bad winter, anti vaxing issues) led to a major epidemic of flu, measles or mumps or similar. I very much see signs of a "perfect storm" brewing.

"I suspect in terms of volume the NHS has stockpiled the most on government advice;" I wouldn't bet on it! Where are they supposed to have magicked up funds to buy and storage facilities from? Many meds need to be kept in carefully controlled, secure environments - you can't just throw a load of boxes of insulin in the basement and hope for the best!

I have loved ones in NI too horrifying to think what may happen there. I live in Scotland and am definitely seeing a growing appetite for independence too.

You would think they would have the basic ethics to warn us properly - as they do in countries where they have earthquakes or hurricanes. The money being spent on "awareness" is sickening when anyone who works in any of the sectors involved knows how bad it will likely get.

Personally I'd love to take dd away for a few months but obviously more 2 weeks out of school is a no no, although being potentially trapped at home in Kent unable to take her to school indefinitely seemed to be legally fine . Reminds me of when the banks make you stick to the fixed rate rules (no taking money out in the term!) then decide they will halve the % of interest. Fuck the plebs.

Assuming we leave under a tweaked WA, it won't affect me day to day other than longer queues at passport control (although as I've mentioned before, in my experience the non-Schengen EU queues are often mixed in with the non EU queue anyway so I don't know if it will always make that much difference). And I suspect a few products will disappear off the shelves.

If we leave with no deal all bets are off of course. Who knows? Certainly shortages of fresh fruit/veg and other products. If you need a part for your car, will you be able to get it or will it be in a customs queue somewhere?

I am in good health, my husband has medication for ocular hypertension - not sure if there could be shortages of that. It won't kill him but if he can't get it, it could ultimately affect his eyesight.

My mum is on various forms of medication - mainly painkillers which she needs, despite the powers that be saying that it's all in the mind after 3 months and people just need to do yoga and she and everyone else is addicted. She's also on HRT, and I wonder if the GP might say, sorry we're giving that to younger women now as we have shortages. Nothing life-threatening but if she were in constant pain it would be life threatening as she'd want to end it.

Actually if we have the transition we'll still be treated as EU for passport control won't we. But post that, who knows.

But that list has not been recognised by the DHSC. They are saying that it was irresponsible for the online pharmacy to publish it because it will make people worry unnecessarily.

Then they need to provide better public information. If the government does not inform the public, they can hardly complain when other people and organisations fill the information gap.

I'm in Higher Education, one of the first things we noticed was that the students' standards dropped as fewer EU students enrolled. Foreign students tend to be more motivated and enthusiastic - this has nothing to do with nationality, British students abroad are likely to also be more motivated and enthusiastic than the locals. It changes the course but also how subject and sports societies are run, which were primarily managed by EU students (studying in a different language and country also means you have to be more organised --> they were more likely to apply that skill in the student community).

Funding is an issue but I have dual nationality (cost us ~£2000) and switched to a research area that allows me to still get EU funding post-Brexit, at least in concept. Only got dual nationality because I got settled status during the pilot phase and am married to a British national, otherwise I'd be fucked (settled status comes without any legally guaranteed rights - you cannot even get a printed letter to prove you have it, so if their online system glitches, again, we are all fucked).

I am looking to change jobs and even dual nationality seems to make me a less attractive option now, while previously, my EEA nationality didn't affect the process.

I am on medication that my GP refused to give me a private prescription for but I managed to get some extra while traveling in my home country. Not an option open to many, I have a private Europe-wide health insurance because it was the best CSI option for me, and it covered the costs of that.

I have never had that much dog food at home because I doubt I can explain to them why the food they actually eat rather than bark at isn't available.

I can see a riot or two happening in our city but wouldn't expect that to be a widespread thing. Just a city known for riots. It does affect what areas we looked at and which flat we choose in the end. Would have went cheaper otherwise as it is only temporary because...

...not buying a new place and keeping our current house because I don't know what to expect of the housing market post-Brexit. This seems like a sensible compromise but I am not looking forward to renting again (we moved cities, so need a new place).

Seeing my family less.

Some of DH's friends of friends I wasn't keen on to begin with voted leave and I refuse to attend anything they will be at. They told me to my face they want people like me out of the country and are happy that DH will be available to find a nice British girl once I am finally gone, which they seemed to take great joy in, so not dealing with that. We were courteous before the referendum, they 'started' this type of converstion. Politics, in our opinion, reflects our wide view of society and ethics, and I feel frequently proven right in that assumption.

More British people in general ranting about the bloody immigrants in front of me but I am from 'one of the good countries', and don't count, so 'it is okay'. I am a 'good' immigrant, apparently. That is the case everywhere, though, as long as you're white, you're mostly welcome - it has only increased in frequency.

On the upside, I have new hope for a second indyref and I know that most Europeans who abstained last time would vote in it now. I just wish they'd get moving!

It won’t really. If it triggers a recession/housing crash obviously we’ll be effected in the general way that such an event (regardless of how it’s triggered) would be expected to. But leaving the EU in and of itself shouldn’t have any impact on my life. I’m not a national of a member state, I’ll still be able to travel visa free, will easily acquire visas should I want them etc. so my visa status won’t be affected. Our livelihood is not EU dependant (if anything the changes should boots the industries relevant to us). We are t dependant on any trade or funding or anything like that. The only people I can see being particularly affected are those dependant on drugs with a short lifespan which are imported from the EU (even then, this would only be an issue if there was political malice involved) or those who are dependant on the EU for their work in some way/dependant on government handouts (but again that’s if a period of austerity results from brexit).

@JeSuisPoulet I really don’t think that brexit is to blame for her negativity. She’s eight, she’s probably just repeating the rubbish she’s heard. I grew up outside the EU, no one was scrambling to move to the EU for a ‘better life’. Life in the EU certainly didn’t look better to us.

"It will be of great interest to know which Bills were lost due to Prorogation" ...

Yes indeed it will.

oops sorry wrong thread.

Not completely off topic though crunchy because Brexit is already affecting those women who would have benefited from the bills that were abandoned due to parliament being prorogued.

I have a very elderly parent who is housebound and reliant on medication. She lives a significant distance from me and is alone. At the best of times I worry constantly about her and spend large amounts of time and effort travelling to and fro to look after her.

If there were petrol shortages or rationing I wouldn't be able to get to her. If there were food rationing (which has been mooted on other threads) she would be in serious difficulties. If her medication were unavailable she would die. I am struggling with anxiety over the prospect of what might happen (especially the lurching rollercoaster of hope and despair) and am not sleeping.

That's how I would be/am affected personally but in wider terms, this country is being destroyed by Brexit, in the ugliest and most repellent way, and I fear for the future. What has become of us?

"We will all Iive in less welcoming country. Racists will thrive.
Our fellow citizens will suffer.
We will eventually have a private health service entirely.
Poverty will escalate.
Being old will be much much worse than now.
Our children will not have the rights we have.
Lord knows what will happen in Northern Ireland. Or Scotland."

This says it all.

Mistigri - The DHSC has been working closely with the NHS and other bodies regarding the continuity of supply of medication after Brexit. If you look on the NHS website they have answered a lot of questions on there.

The problem is that people can't be bothered to do their own research so will just read what someone has said on a forum or Facebook and believe it when it may not even be true.

You have to remember that some people have their own agenda whether they are remainers or leavers.

I have applied for citizenship in my EU country to protect myself from becoming a 3rd country national. (They are not treated well here).

I should have my citizenship within 6 months or so after applying in August last year. I'm allowed to keep my British citizenship.

My husband is from another EU country so he is unaffected.

"Then they need to provide better public information. If the government does not inform the public, they can hardly complain when other people and organisations fill the information gap."

Absolutely - I have 2 friends who are pharmacists. One high street, one hospital. They're not saying much as they're understandably protecting their jobs/professional registration but what they are saying (and DOING - the hospital ones husband is type 1 diabetic and she's grabbing up his meds as much as she can).

My own pharmacist is basically saying they have "no information we are able to give out at this time" - not exactly bloody reassuring!!

AllNewDay - I am so sorry and so embarrassed that you have experience such prejudice from other Brits. I'm white British but have a "muddled" accent which has caused other Brits to sometimes think I am Irish, Australian, South African (to me my accent doesn't sound like any of those but that's what has happened) and on that basis have experienced a tiny amount of xenophobic comments/treatment. There's definitely a "scale" as you say. When I was thought to be Australian or South African that was apparently "not too bad" Irish "bit worse". My family and friends include many who are not only white European but with non British accents but also people of Asian and African descent and a few who are first point immigrants from those continents and the sheer amount and level of racism and xenophobia they have been experiencing since the referendum was announced is truly shocking! Being told to "go home" really is the least of it! They've been shouted at, spat at, discriminated against in employment, housing - it's fucking disgusting what's happening and makes me thoroughly ashamed to be British right now. Not helped by the fact the police seem to be not taking such incidents as seriously as they used to.

Boggles - am I right in understanding then that you're not British? That surprises me if so, particularly given your posting style and opinions. If you stay living in uk if we no deal you will be affected - money will only get you so far, no amount of money can relieve backlogs at ports and airports so you'll be just as vulnerable to shortages as the rest of us. Unless you're planning to zip off and live in another country before it happens?

Graphista Lots of Australians and Americans (and British born people who have emigrated to those to those two countries) seem to post on MN about how Brexit is good/ not a big deal. I'd bet Boggles lives in either Australia or America, at a stretch South Africa or new Zealand, but I'd wager Australia or America...

The DHSC has been working closely with the NHS and other bodies regarding the continuity of supply of medication after Brexit. If you look on the NHS website they have answered a lot of questions on there

The problem is that people can't be bothered to do their own research so will just read what someone has said on a forum or Facebook and believe it when it may not even be true

You have to remember that some people have their own agenda whether they are remainers or leavers

And you have to remember that some of us work in this field and know how much of a disaster it’s likely to be.

WiseUpJanetWeiss - I have no idea whether people on line are telling the truth or not, you may well work in the medical industry or you may not, which is why I take everything that people say on here with a pinch of salt and prefer to do my own research.

Interesting

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-operation-yellowhammer-boris-johnson-cars-ports-a9108471.html%3famp

I don't think anyone can accuse Dr David Nicholl, consultant neurologist, as being "some random off the internet"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49601319

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2019/09/06/irresponsible-for-raising-concerns-who-dares-accuse-david-nicholl/

He is very concerned about the risk to life - to the extent that Rhys-Smug tried to shut him up by discrediting him while using Parliamentary privilege - and then having to apologise.

No one knows until it happens. Daft question