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Westminstenders: Supreme Democracy

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RedToothBrush · 15/09/2019 19:45

Tuesday is the big day about prorogation.

The Supreme Court hears the case of Cherry and Miller against the government.

This could test the constitution and the union. The Supreme Court sits as both as a Scottish Court and and English Court and applies Scottish / English law accordingly. And there are differences. It is possible that prorogation might only be illegal under one or the other but would have effect on parliament. Or its possible that the Supreme Court might decide to uphold the government position.

What is encouraging is the constitutional expert blogs which suggest that they lean to the court intervening. It's important that for the A50 case the Supreme Court referenced the arguments in these blogs.

But let's not get too carried away.

As it is Joe Moor, former director of legislative affairs at 10 Downing Street wrote in today's Telegraph that Johnson could merely prorogue again from Oct 14 "until at least Nov 6" thus preventing parliamentary scrutiny of no deal which would help enable in effect illegally. The Times also reported Cummings as having said this to advisors.

This has been dismissed by legal experts, but the point remains there is a willingness to both frustrate parliament and be as obstructive as possible in the days leading up to 31st.

There is also the 'Nobile Officium' Court action designed to stop illegal no deal by allowing the courts to write a letter to the EU to request an extension of Johnson refuses to.

It remains to be seen if it has even a chance of success.

The British press has been full of comments of optimism for a deal this weekend. This is after there was positive noises in a similar vein from Brussels. These has since been largely dismissed as mere political will with no practical progress. The British optimism has also been dismissed as mere posturing. And Priti Patel "misspoke" when she appeared to suggest that no deal was no policy this morning.

Other rumours include the French willing to grant a 2year extension but not a 3month one out of fear this will happen repeatedly. The French are now pushing for a deal and relaxing their approach as such (but Germany won't compromise the single market and Ireland the GFA so its all talk).

And do not forget, for all the talk of a deal there are certain time restrains.

Apparently Nikki da Costa has a timetable to get a deal through parliament in 'just ten days' on a spreadsheet. So that gives you an idea that the 19th October is possibly the last day to get a deal in front of parliament if you completely accept that we are leaving without any extension. This neglects the issue that a new deal isn't on the table from the EU and the backstop isn't going anywhere.

A last minute deal or no deal situation is highly risky with the ERG on one side and hard core Remainers who think Johnson won't defy the Benn Amendment and thus will try and block a deal to the last

It seems that we will have a game of cat and mouse until the bitter end.

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prettybird · 16/09/2019 14:50

I've calculated that I'm ok for 16 weeks worth of bog roll. Might be able to stretch that out a bit Wink

flouncyfanny · 16/09/2019 14:52

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Basilpots · 16/09/2019 14:54

Didn’t Clav post a load of links saying we were fine for bog roll ???

Ellie56 · 16/09/2019 14:55

Maybe I need to go and buy some more bog roll. I think they eat it in this house. Hmm

Hoooo · 16/09/2019 14:56

I've just counted...

I've got 64 rolls. Is that enough!??

MarshaBradyo · 16/09/2019 14:58

Did an Ocado and said I’m buying Brexit loo roll when questioned

DGRossetti · 16/09/2019 14:58

Didn’t Clav post a load of links saying we were fine for bog roll ???

I can't recall, but it does seem the BeLeaverHysteria has died down a bit of late.

In other news the schools went back a couple of weeks ago ....

MarshaBradyo · 16/09/2019 14:58

By the dh not by some random person

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Belindabelle · 16/09/2019 14:59

I am thinking about getting a bulk order from Who Gives a Crap.

flouncyfanny · 16/09/2019 15:01

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DGRossetti · 16/09/2019 15:02

Righty ho, that's shares in Andrex duly bumped up.

Who's next on the list ? Ah, yes: Arcadian Group - (they might need more help than most)

I'll buy the shares now, and then if someone can spike a clothes shortage warning, I'll sell tomorrow.

Come on people !!!!! We've got loads to get through yet. And no one's worked out how a shortage of Marmite can be a bad thing ?

MarshaBradyo · 16/09/2019 15:02

Grin Flouncy

He was incredulous but he’ll be grateful / sorry depending on how dire the situation is

prettybird · 16/09/2019 15:08

Dh has been querying my purchases of loo roll too! Grin

I'm still waiting for my next set of Sainsbury's (or Tesco) vouchers before going and buying some more Wink

I know that Tesco has the Quality Street tins in so I assume that Sainsbury's does too - last year they had bigger tins than Tesco. They help me reach the spending threshold.

Hoooo · 16/09/2019 15:09

A marmite shortage will not be a bad thing DGR

In my view anyway :)

Apileofballyhoo · 16/09/2019 15:10

PM of Luxembourg giving it socks, BJ couldn't give a speech because of protestors' noise. His podium is empty. Wow.

prettybird · 16/09/2019 15:12

Luxembourg PM really sticking it on BJ-Cummings (with the empty podium beside him Wink).

Finishes his statement with "use this time wisely".

Really pushing back on where the responsibility for the impasse lies: not the EU. Also takes the piss out of the Hulk comments.

I love the way that the European leaders can troll us in English Grin

CrunchyCarrot · 16/09/2019 15:14

Just got up, haven't been well today, tuned in to the Luxembourg PM, bloody hell he is shooting from the hip and we all need to hear it (welll Brexiters especially), thank you sir for spelling it out.

I cannot believe this fucking mess. Angry

AutumnCrow · 16/09/2019 15:15

Xavier Bettel being bloody awesome.

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Sakura7 · 16/09/2019 15:16

Luxembourg PM is fantastic. He's clearly exasperated and pissed off and is not shy about saying what he thinks.

Apileofballyhoo · 16/09/2019 15:16

Just falling short of calling Boris Johnson a liar. Wow.

AutumnCrow · 16/09/2019 15:16

This is what a Prime Minister looks like.

Johnson meanwhile has bottled it.

Sakura7 · 16/09/2019 15:17

And the British expats outside cheering him on!

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 16/09/2019 15:17

Luxembourg PM still taking questions next to the empty podium. He sounds as exasperated and angry as you would expect.

Is BJ hiding?