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47 days to go.....

Deal, no deal or delay...???

Remainers are circling the wagons ready for their last stand....

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Bear and Bellini you are just riffing nonsense now. How does a country denied open access to either the UK or the EU gain it by complaining about an International Treaty protected border situation in Ireland? Obviously much more in their interest to endorse it in order to further border loosening with regard to them.

Because they don't give a shit about the effect it might have on us or , I dunno, they are putting their national interest first.

www.globalmeatnews.com/Article/2018/07/27/New-Zealand-opposes-EU-and-UK-s-quota-split-proposal
Hope this has sorted itself out. They are such nice guys

Septembersunrays gives lots of evidence for EU corruption.
bellinisurge spluttering reply is but .. but .. but .. "...look at who backed Johnson's campaign".

I don't doubt there's corruption in the EU. It's your silly notion that I love the EU. Assume it gives you a warm cuddly feeling.

Did you get the same cuddly feeling reading this
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Septembersunrays gives lots of evidence for EU corruption. bellinisurge spluttering reply is but .. but .. but .. "...look at who backed Johnson's campaign".

I don’t think there’s a single Remainer who doesn’t think the EU is wasteful to a certain extent and possible a bit corrupt however, it’s no worse than our own elected representatives

It also has the added benefit of giving us access to the worlds largest trading bloc

Is swapping one institutions corruption for another whilst losing that access really worth it?

Remainers think not.

Leavers don’t believe they’ll notice the effects of Yellowhammer or they just won’t happen so it’s just a waiting game now

Did you get the same cuddly feeling reading this
Something that might happen to us is not the same as something that has happened to is. I am not sticking my head in the sand like you are and locking us into further EU integration forever.

IF anything in yellowhammer ever happened we would deal with it at the time just like we deal with any other disruption.

Obviously much more in their interest to endorse it in order to further border loosening with regard to them.

You’ve totally lost me now?

Are you saying that every other country would be happy with no border between UK and Ireland because it would mean they could get the same?

If so, we’re actually saying the same thing but looking at it from completely different angles.

The EU is not going allow all WTO countries to have the access their members do - it would destroy them.

"sticking my head in the sand like you".
I'm a general prepper ffs.

it’s no worse than our own elected representatives
Except that should we want we could get rid of every single one of our MPs and start again. The same is not true of the EU.

I'm a general prepper ffs
Are you prepping to withstand a heat wave whilst refusing to get out of the oven?
The UK have decided the EU is the problem so prep for us getting out.

I'm prepping for every fucking thing. I can put up with leaving. I don't want no Deal because I don't want fucking chaos.

Except that should we want we could get rid of every single one of our MPs and start again.

No you can’t - the UK have a FPTP system which means your vote is meaningless if you live in an area where most people think differently

Deflecting belle.

We all know whoever has power will have corruption going on 'somewhere'

Why does anyone want two layers?
They have no grip on anything in the eu. It will take centuries, and that's if it holds out that long to get rough parity.

It's bad enough holding our own politicians to account, monitoring our own fraud etc. Why on earth does anyone want our money, pumped into a flabby corrupt system, with no appetite for robust checks, some given back to us and most frittered away.

You don't get it, do you. I accept Leave. Content to leave. Don't want No Deal,
I'm a general prepper so I can personally put up with all sorts of shit. But this is the country where people call the police if KFC runs out of chicken and people whinge on MN if the supermarkets run out of ice lollies in the heatwave. That's the kind of people you are expecting to deal with "bumps in the road " if we No Deal. And you know they won't be able to. And they will make our lives a misery with all their shitty entitled whinging.
That's what you are celebrating.

The problem is that people have got all righteous about something that doesn’t affect them personally (EU waste / corruption / FOM whatever) and decided to make a stand on it by choosing something that will very likely severely affect them personally but they don’t believe it will.

It will be very interesting to see what happens when it does actually hit people’s pockets, which it will, deal or no deal.

I don't understand...

I don't doubt there is corruption

Different to.. I know it's riddled with corruption but..

It sounds like you don't actually know, didn't do any research and you'll take it on good faith the eu is riddled with waste, wasting our money BTW, riddled with incompetence etc etc

Bear of course it affects us all!
Our money is pumped into a leaky inadequate system.

This is the problem you don't think it does because its all so far away and so far removed from the your daily life.

I feel very strongly about it.

As usual the pub dwellers can't cope with the idea that there are people who voted Remain, who don't much like the EU, who can accept Leave but who think No Deal is a fucking disgraceful idea. Actually, Bear has embraced it - which is the cause of regular disagreement between me and Bear.

To be fair to Bear that embrace of No Deal is, if I understand it, to lance the boil and see if those sheepish No Dealers get what's coming to them. Bear will obviously tell you if I have got it wrong.

Our money is pumped into a leaky inadequate system.

But with brexit even more money will be pumped into a leaky, even less efficient & less effective system (cause no economies of scale).

I feel very strongly about it

Clearly, but unless you’re loaded then you’re going to notice the repercussions of leaving the EU and having a worse trade agreement than we do now far more than you’d ever notice your ‘share’ of EU misused funds.

To be fair to Bear that embrace of No Deal is, if I understand it, to lance the boil and see if those sheepish No Dealers get what's coming to them. Bear will obviously tell you if I have got it wrong.

No that’s pretty much right.

I just think we will end up facing no deal again even if the WA goes through because we’re never going to get our cake and eat it Deal and too many people won’t let it lie

Uncertainty is slowly eroding the economy already so better to rip the plaster off and get on with healing it ASAP

So at the next GE the LD will now be the party of revoke, Conservatives the party of 'smash it like hulk' leave. Where does that leave the Labour party? Will they be the party of wibble wobble Brexit but not Brexit but Brexit? Will they split the remain vote to allow a Tory win?

All this fuss about stopping no deal is all just a smoke screen. This will only be resolved at the ballet box, either defeat Boris at GE or shut up. Bring on the main act and stop faffing about MPs.