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BrexitArmsLandlady · 14/09/2019 02:29

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47 days to go.....

Deal, no deal or delay...???

Remainers are circling the wagons ready for their last stand....

Stand fast Brexit backers and hold the line!!

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BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 15/09/2019 10:52

Who can be arsed reading something that's mainly strike through? Gives me a headache from the eye strain. What's the point of posting like that.

Bearbehind · 15/09/2019 11:07

Nice googling September

I’ve said before on these threads that I’ve long since given up on trying to change Leavers minds, I was simply pointing out how ridiculous it was that you couldn’t cite a single example of the corruption you say was the reason for you choice without reverting to google.

Bearbehind · 15/09/2019 11:10

On the WTO points - for those who think no hard border is necessary, please can you explain how that aligns with the most favoured nation rules?

Clavinova · 15/09/2019 11:19

On the WTO points - for those who think no hard border is necessary, please can you explain how that aligns with the most favoured nation rules?

I am busy today but legal opinions differ on this topic;

iegpolicy.agribusinessintelligence.informa.com/PL219577/Is-the-UKs-notariff-plan-for-the-Irish-border-incompatible-with-WTO-rules

Bearbehind · 15/09/2019 11:51

Those articles say what we were discussing yesterday though, ie the WTO would intervene if any of its members complained so relying on that not happening, given the number of countries we’ve pissed off in the past, is somewhat foolhardy

bellinisurge · 15/09/2019 11:53

That lovely link which I know Leavers love talks about the economic reality of not having a border. And how both the EU and/or the UK will have to protect its economic area for its economy's sake.
And all it takes is for one other WTO to raise an objection. It's a good job we haven't pissed anyone off recently Hmm

bellinisurge · 15/09/2019 11:54

WTO member, that is.

dirtyrottenscoundrel · 15/09/2019 12:03

‘Wanker’ 😂
How quaint. I haven’t heard that word since about 1992.

bellinisurge · 15/09/2019 12:05

Really? We use it daily here in the North. Usually when we see Johnson on the telly.

DustyDiamond · 15/09/2019 13:02

Use 'wanker' daily here too.

Typically about anyone & everyone who doesn't agree with me 😂 😂

twofingerstoEverything · 15/09/2019 13:07

Yep, 'wanker' in common parlance here, too.

Bearbehind · 15/09/2019 13:15

Here too!

howabout · 15/09/2019 13:16

Bear and Bellini who do you think would complain to the WTO? I cannot think of a single country whose interests it would serve.

Also WTO sanctions do not generally include forcible erection of trade barriers between 2 trading entities who don't want them. The more likely sanction is that the complaining country would be able to impose retaliatory tariffs. Still struggling to see which country would do this to the UK?

howabout · 15/09/2019 13:20

Not sure wanker is the most appropriate insult to hurl at Boris on the telly. He is not renowned for keeping himself to himself.

(I have teens so we tend to analyse the literal meaning of insults in our establishment lest we unwittingly breach the woke red lines. Unfortunately this means the 8 year old has a somewhat over developed vocabulary but can discern what is a "disappointing" term
Blush).

time4chocolate · 15/09/2019 13:21

Local football team practice in the park behind me on a Tuesday evening with a game on alternate Saturdays - ‘wanker’ is a word regularly heard (amongst others) when I’m sunning myself in the garden😮😂.

Bearbehind · 15/09/2019 13:22

I cannot think of a single country whose interests it would serve.

I’m struggling to think of a country who’s interests it wouldn’t serve.

Why would any other WTO member allow the UK to have the same frictionless trade as we currently have with the EU when we don’t pay for it and they don’t have it?

Bearbehind · 15/09/2019 13:25

It would include with every other country with a land border with the EU for starters

bellinisurge · 15/09/2019 13:26

If you can't think of a single country whose interests it would serve, I suggest you start reading books and watching the news. That way you might learn how we aren't a super special country loved by all.

DustyDiamond · 15/09/2019 13:29

Also objects & situations can be 'wank' as well as people being wankers.

It's a word for all occasions really 😂

jasjas1973 · 15/09/2019 15:03

September..... i've also read similar, however, corruption in europe is not the same at all as corruption within the EU budget.

The EU is not responsible for stopping or prosecuting criminal activity, that is down to national, sovereign states, such as the UK, it does show how little real influence the EU has on independent countries.

The eu has a budget of around 160 billion euros, the corruption bill is around a trillion!

If the EU didn't exist, corruption would still be rife.

The moving of the EU parliament, is a complete and utter waste of money and time, not really sure why they do it? though it comes under waste not corruption.

bellinisurge · 15/09/2019 15:05

Don't worry, we can build a bridge between Scotland and NI to save money. Huzzah!

Septembersunrays · 15/09/2019 15:34

Jas I don't agree.

If you read more than you will see having a set of rules imposed by the eu is pointless, when states don't follow them.

To be collective they need to be well, collective and do everything at the same standard. Can you see why this doesn't and can't work.

How can the eu say... We have welfare standards on food when, different countries do not follow the them and the eu has no measures in place to enforce standards.

Some Eastern bloc counties have very poor government structure. One didn't /doesn't even have a civil service. Possibly Hungary. They don't have the structures to implement many directives and corruption and everything else is rife.

There is little collaboration. Money is wasted, spewing all over the place, they can't do me together on anything, every crisis they have they fuck up. What is the point of this beast? What!!

bear

Thanks for praising my googling skills. I could provide much more but I've had a busy weekend. I said the eu was corrupt. I know it's corrupt because Ive done research. You wanted more evidence. I gave some... To you.

Septembersunrays · 15/09/2019 15:48

euobserver.com/economic/143877

It just gets worse!

Over €6bn of EU taxpayers' money was stolen by criminals in recent years and over €130m is still being lost each year, EU auditors have warned.

They stole another €391m in 2017, according to Olaf, the EU's principal anti-fraud agency, with the vast majority of theft in the areas of EU aid to poor regions and fisheries.

But the actual figures are likely to be much higher because "the scale of fraud is underreported", Thursday's report said.

More than 540 cases should have gone to court between 2009 and 2016, Olaf had said.

But to date, member states have indicted just 137 suspects and dismissed 171 cases, mostly due to "insufficient evidence".

Part of the problem is that member states do not report all dodgy cases to Olaf.

Under the rules, they do not even have to monitor EU payments worth less than €10,000, even though many EU grants to farmers fall below that threshold.

Whoever is to blame, the current set up leaves EU officials in the dark when they sign cheques for farmers in, say, Slovakia, or for new bridges in, say, Kosovo.

"Currently, fraud risks are assessed at DG level," Thursday's report said, referring to directors-generals (DGs) - the 37 men and women who run the EU commission's various departments.

"No central fraud risk assessment is carried out for the commission as a whole ... they [the DGs] do not use other information coming from external sources, such as national crime statistics or official government reports, or analyses and reports by NGOs," the EU auditors said.

DGs and member states can bar known fraudsters from EU contracts in an EU database called EDES, the auditors noted.

The EU needed "a robust fraud reporting system, providing information on the scale, nature and root causes to fraud", the financial watchdog said.

The Commission and the Member States have a shared responsibility to protect the EU’s financial interests against fraud and corruption.

However, we found that the Commission lacks comprehensive information on the scale, nature and causes of fraud. Its official statistics on detected fraud are not complete and it has so far not carried out any assessment of undetected fraud. Some information is available on fraud patterns and schemes used in different sectors. There is no detailed analysis to identify what causes some recipients of EU money to behave fraudulently. This lack of information reduces the practical value of the Commission’s strategic plans, such as the CAFS, which has not been updated since 2011.

rticle 325 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU) provides a legal basis for protecting the EU's financial interests against fraud, corruption and other illegal activities (Annex I).
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The European Commission must take the necessary measures to provide reasonable assurance that irregularities (including fraud) in the use of the EU budget are prevented, detected and corrected5. It shares this responsibility with Member States in the domain of shared management, e.g. in the Cohesion and Agriculture spending areas.
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The ‘Directive on the fight against fraud to the Union's financial interests by means of criminal law’ (the ‘PIF Directive’)6 provides for harmonised definition of offences affecting the EU’s financial interests as well as penalties and statute of limitations for such cases. This Directive was adopted on 5 July 2017. Member States have to implement it into national law by July 20197.

During our audit, we identified one Member State where irregularities reported within IMS for the European Agricultural Guarantee Fund and European Agricultural Fund for Rural Development accounted for only a small share (7 %) of all irregularities detected by the Member State for these two Funds. On the other hand, from the 7 % of reported irregularities, the Member State qualified a high share (60 %) as suspected fraud.

The Commission does not carry out comprehensive checks on the quality of data reported in the IMS; nor does it ask Member State authorities to provide assurance as to the reliability of the data reported. Partial checks on compliance with reporting obligations are performed within the framework of system audits.
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Neither OLAF nor any other body within the Commission gathers information on criminal cases linked to EU financial interests investigated by national authorities. Member States have their own systems for recording cases under investigation, and nearly half of them do not differentiate between financial crimes affecting national interests and those affecting EU interests. As a result, neither the Commission nor such Member States have data on fraud in EU spending as a separate category.

^^ its one huge awful mess, how anyone can want to be a part of this really is utterly beyond me!

bellinisurge · 15/09/2019 15:57

It gets worse is code for "I'm doing lots of googling and finding stuff that gets me in a right tizz ". Have a look at who backed Johnson's campaign.
There's a lot of profiligate unpleasant shit out there and you need to see it all not just the bits that confirm your world view.

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