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47 days to go.....

Deal, no deal or delay...???

Remainers are circling the wagons ready for their last stand....

Stand fast Brexit backers and hold the line!!

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September - I have an EU passport from birth. I’m a European citizen.

Dusty we know they do

Every post is leavers thick.. Never seen blah from leaver.

Zombies staring and pointing at a sole bus that seems to have visited very town in uk every hamlet, every estate.. (never came near us) standing pointing 'bus' 'bus'.

Vote leave saw it on bus.

It's deplorable bullying smugness... And.. Plenty of middle class lawyers did vote brexit too!!

and Parker?

Post Brexit I will still easily be able to live, work or retire in an EU country without restrictions. That privilege won’t be available to UK citizens.

Twofingers I have no idea whether there was time in history where the system worked for everyone . What I do know is that there is a class of people who for years have been saying this isn't working for me, my living standards are falling. My ability to get a fair wage is limited by the oversupply of labour. I am scared that my child will not get a school place due the explosion in the birth rate. I am having to decide whether to eat or heat due to high housing costs and so on. Instead they were dismissed by politicians as racist, uneducated, unwilling to work etc. They wanted change hence Brexit & Trump.

Hence why Revoking and pretending the whole thing never happened is the worst option of all imo BelleHathor.

At least the Labour position of Remain and Reform or "sort of Leave and then engineer socialism to such an extent that we might as well have Left" recognises the drivers of Brexit and seeks to address them.

And now the Lib Dem MEPs have written to Juncker to implore him not to do a deal with UK.

Because it's all about what the middle class, anti-democrats want, isn't it.

Zombies staring and pointing at a sole bus that seems to have visited very town in uk every hamlet, every estate.. (never came near us) standing pointing 'bus' 'bus'.

😂😂😂

It never came here either 😟

Fuck knows how I ended up voting to leave

It's a puzzle Dusty

You're not half as perplexing as the 1 million or so Scots who voted Leave despite Struth, Nippy, Kezia, Willie and Patrick. To hear the current narrative you would have thought even the most Leave minded Scot would have voted Remain purely to spite Boris.

See if Jean-Claude had any sense of fun he would do a Deal with the UK. I for one want to see the look on Jo Swinson's face if the choice becomes vote Boris / Juncker Deal or cause No Deal (the BBC were mooting this as an option)

Do you really believe that WC people are so thick as to be eagerly drinking up the missives of others
As a member of the WC myself, I know they are not thick. Uneducated sometimes, due to lack of opportunity, but certainly not thick. My point was that Leavers believe it because the writer claims to know how MC remainers think because he is one. Whether he really is, is probably up for debate, as is his claim to be 'middle class'. I think the reason Leavers on this thread find the Tweet 'interesting' and assert that the writer 'gets it' is because it's a fine example of confirmation bias.

My point was that Leavers believe it because the writer claims to know how MC remainers think because he is one.

Nope.

It matters not what he claims to be.
That is irrelevant.

What he wrote is in-line with what I have seen & experienced.

I would argue that it isn't 'confirmation bias' though, because it was not presented as supporting 'evidence' to fit my viewpoint, but rather as a good account of what I have observed. I could have written my own précis but why do that when someone else had already articulated it?

What I do know is that there is a class of people who for years have been saying this isn't working for me, my living standards are falling. My ability to get a fair wage is limited by the oversupply of labour. I am scared that my child will not get a school place due the explosion in the birth rate. I am having to decide whether to eat or heat due to high housing costs and so on. Instead they were dismissed by politicians as racist, uneducated, unwilling to work etc. They wanted change hence Brexit & Trump.

Well, I don't have what I consider to be a 'fair wage' either and have often had to choose between heat and eat. I had a 1.2% pay rise this year after 3 years of no increments whatsoever and earn well below the national average. However, I tend to blame this on our own government and the enthusiasm for zero hours contracts, the erosion of workers rights, growing inequality between the highest earners and average earners etc., rather than an over supply of labour or our membership of the EU. Some industries like the NHS are highly dependant on EU labour and are going to be damaged if/when EU citizens leave. We are already seeing this in the NHS. What has our government done about this? Removed nursing and other healthcare-related student bursaries. If you think Trump and Brexit are the answer to these problems, I think you're in for a surprise. Trump is a narcissist who is interested only in himself, and Brexit has already cost UK jobs and will is likely to make us all poorer.
Where is your evidence that the birth rate has 'exploded'? The birth rate in England and Wales is at a new low. If there aren't school places, that's down to poor planning and nothing to do with the EU.

What he wrote is in-line with what I have seen & experienced.

So, the very definition of confirmation bias!

Post Brexit I will still easily be able to live, work or retire in an EU country without restrictions. That privilege won’t be available to UK citizens

The majority vote was to leave. What makes you think people from UK want to; live, work or retire outside UK??

Economy of both France 🇫🇷 and Germany 🇩🇪 are wobbly. Italy is tipped to be the next Greece. Would not be surprised if the EU is gone completely in a few years time.

I think it is a mistake to think about people as Leavers or Remainers at all. The majority of people are somewhere in the middle but capable of defending which way they ultimately voted.

This is quite interesting. It talks to Scots who were 16/17 and voted for the first time in Indyref2014. They have fairly nuanced views on Indy and Brexit despite reportedly being the most Yes / Remain demographic.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49740445

They also claim not to be as entrenched and shouty as the rest of us.

Would not be surprised if the EU is gone completely in a few years time.

Why go through all this hassle and huge multi billionaire expenditure to leave unilaterally now then?

Billion not billionaire.

Mystery - over 1m UK citizens live in other EU countries (excluding Ireland). Not an insignificant number. Perhaps people would still like the opportunities this brings?

The majority vote was to leave. What makes you think people from [the] UK want to live, work or retire outside [the] UK??

The fact that an estimated 5.5m UK citizens live outside the UK.
Around 1.2m of them live in the EU, 1.3m in Australia alone.

"The number of Brits aged 65 and over living in other EU countries is far greater than the number of EU citizens in the same age group living in the UK.

There are around 247,000 British citizens aged 65 and over living in other EU countries (excluding Ireland), and 85,000 people aged 65 and over from other EU countries (excluding Ireland) living in the UK.
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the number of State Pension recipients living in other EU countries has risen steadily over the last 5 years, continuing a long-term trend."
ONS 2017 figures

"There are around 1.2 million British born people living in another EU country, according to figures provided by the UN. Around 800,000 will be workers and their dependants."
data from 2016

Howabout that is the exact reason why revoke and pretend is the wrong thing and will completely destroy the already frail social contract between the electorate and MPs.

Twofingers you are correct that it was successive British governments that failed to tackle declining living standards and properly plan for mass migration. It's not right that you did not receive a pay rise for 3 years and that you don't receive a fair wage.

Weak job security & pay is affected by an oversupply of labour. Employers know that they can fire someone as there are 10 other people willing to work for less money and worse conditions. If MPs had any sort of foresight , Blair would have put transitional restrictions in place when the A8 countries joined the EU. A mass infrastructure building programme would have occurred especially to address deindustralised areas. However peoples concerns were not addressed.

AuldAlliance if being in the EU is so wonderful and makes International travel and settlement so much easier do know why more UK Nationals prefer Australia?

The weather?

Because it’s anglophone. And the weather.

Their widespread inability to speak languages other than English?

Whatever the reason, I was pointing out the inaccuracy of the rhetorical question about UK citizens living "outside [the] UK", rather than commenting upon the "wonderful" nature of anything much.
Facts are quite important.