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47 days to go.....

Deal, no deal or delay...???

Remainers are circling the wagons ready for their last stand....

Stand fast Brexit backers and hold the line!!

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@dirtyrottenscoundrel "Remoaners, on the other hand, are aggressive, spiteful, & full of hate."

No, I am a Remainer. I'm not sure what a remoaner is, apart from a term you've coined which means : people who don't agree with me.

I'm not aggressive, spiteful, or full of hate. Nor am I name calling of making crude insinuations.....

I am, however, deeply saddened by the end result of many years of sub-optimal education visited upon those reliant on sub-optimal schools during the 60s,70s, 80s, 90s, even into the C21.

I am absolutely no fan of Gove, but I do think he may have had a point. There do seem to be swathes of people with limited critical thinking skills, readily buying into whatever new wheeze BoJoCummings tell them to believe; brazenly ignoring some rather upsetting projections coming from the government.

People either really don't get it, or have no regard for their fellow humans, already suffering because of a looming Brexit. And yes, there are beneficiaries: Those that bet on the pound's inexorable downward slide. If you want to cite them as a feelgood story, go ahead......

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Will truly be a day of wonder when a Brexit Arms thread has no sneering pomposity, lazy stereotypes or tedious insults levelled against Brexit supporters.

It will truly be a day when Brexiters don't deserve that....

I was looking at what some Brexit promoters have said and they're taking the fucking piss out of you lot.

Aaron Banks saying he 'took your hand and led you up the garden path'.
Dominic Cummings saying you didn't have a clue what you were voting for (his research before the referendum showed this) that's why he stuck with the NHS and Turkey.
Richard Tice saying after Brexit, when the pound crashes he plans to cash in on the investment opportunities.

They don't even bother hiding it anymore.

Dusty - imho the UK has been played, by both sides, they've succeeded in pitting us all against each other, dividing the nation, indeed possibly economically damaging it, caused alarm and upset with eu and UK citizens on both sides of the channel, wrecked our reputation, split our oldest political party and put our PM in the Supreme Court! and now, we are planning to fly medicines into the UK...what on earth have we become?

People like Gove Bojo etc have used this issue to promote their careers, brexit is about power and not about addressing the real issues facing us all.

All this on issue that a few years ago, few gave a fuck about.

Miljah I'm confused - must be my Brexity education I thought it was young people educated in the 70s onwards who voted Remain and old codgers who voted Brexit? Cannot bring myself to read the Indy article you are referencing. The headline was objectionable enough.

Oh and if Gove has a point about education does he also have a point about Brexit? And what about Boris and Jacob and their classical Etonian education. Boris even went to school in Brussels.

Doesn’t seem to have been much progress. Sounds like Boris is playing his usual game - all talk no action!

dirtyrottenscoundrel Remoaners, on the other hand, are aggressive, spiteful, & full of hate

Hundreds of thousands of remoaners have taken to the streets of London and other cities many times to protest against Brexit. Number of incidents: 0. Number of attacks: 0.
A few hundred pro Brexit supporters take to the streets of London and it somehow always turns ugly with arrests, assaults, drunk and disorderly... in March 2019 And here are some more 'aggressive, spiteful and full of hate' people and guess what? They're not remoaners either.

It's clear that 'alternative facts' are still alive and well.

JasJas - I do blame the extremists from each side of the divide for poisoning Brexit & stoking division.

There was no reason for it to turn out as it has - I do believe an EEA/EFTA arrangement would have been palatable to most originally, and future GEs could have been run on proposed further detachment if any party believed that to be preferable.

Sadly, we are where we are & some people have become so entrenched that repeated insults have become par for the course unfortunately.

Would be lovely if we could get through a thread without the nastiness but some posters seem to delight in lashing out wherever possible.

I've friends irl of all political colours, on both sides of Brexit & on both sides of Scottish independence - we all manage to get along without letting our politics ruin things.
I suspect this is true of the majority of people tbh.
It's a shame that this can't happen on MN too.

And what about Boris and Jacob and their classical Etonian education. Boris even went to school in Brussels.

Hope you remember that when the onslaught of the “people against the elite” really gets going.

Just watched a good video exploring the populist "revolts" like Brexit and Trump :
m.youtube.com/watch?v=afMofYie4Lc
Only 3% of MPs in parliament today have worked in traditionally working class jobs. Could be why they failed to see leave winning.

What is a traditional working class job, and how many hours do you have to spend working in it, in order to qualify as having worked it?

The trouble is with the 'extremists on both sides' argument is that a lot of people will be demonstrably negatively impacted by Brexit, for family, work and other reasons and this direct impact is real for them. There are no equivalencies for remaining, no sudden change, so no real reason to get angry. So if Brexiteers get angry it's largely for no reason aka frothing, whereas remainers impacted directly are justified in being angry. The leave vote fucked them over and they (quite rightly) are aggrieved.

From the article that I read "working-class MPs, categorised as politicians that have a background in manual and unskilled labour, are more likely to support policies that benefit working class"
www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2018/jul/decline-working-class-politicians-shifted-labour-towards-right-wing-policy

There was no reason for it to turn out as it has - I do believe an EEA/EFTA arrangement would have been palatable to most originally, and future GEs could have been run on proposed further detachment if any party believed that to be preferable

Yes this is true, it was hijacked by May governing for party instead of country - however, it still doesn't take away from my belief we have been conned... Leavers for thinking Brexit will help solve our ills and Remainers for being manipulated into turning on brexitiers and blaming them.

We should now revoke and start again, with a new legally binding vote, once we have a plan for NI/ROI.

If we do not, then we will risk splitting up the UK, dividing the nation for decades and most importantly a return to violence in NI and that means people will die for ideological reasons only.

Just watched it Belle - v good

Two were you one of the posters whipping up the leavers march, making it sound like all hell would break loose. In the end a gaggle of drunk men did some pushing and shoving and I think 3 people were arrested?

More people are arrested in the first minuets of the Notting hill carnival.

As for critical thinking skills use the old Tony Benn adage.

Whose got the power, why, who gave it to them, how can we get it back etc

Jason's that's utter nonsense! People's lives were very badly affected by the eu and Tony Blair working policies and workers rites.

Dusty it would be lovely to get through a thread with just leavers chatting like the westminders thread.

Without Remainers barging in demanding answers... For Three years! 😂😂...

They have been long furnished with endless reasons and answers... But like repelling magnets nothing sticks.

No wonder they scream around like headless chickens.

I agree mostly with your last post jasjas, but disagree with your revoke proposal.

I voted, as did millions of others, to leave.
I expect the winning option to be accepted & enacted - to overturn it is not acceptable.

If Parliament refuses to enact Brexit then there will be trouble - it's a spit in the face to all leave voters.

The NI/Ireland border can be solved by EEA/EFTA with a time-limited continued CU membership (CU until such time as trade agreement with EU reached)

But like repelling magnets nothing sticks.

😂😂

They have been long furnished with endless reasons and answers..

Not quite... i said brexit will affect travel/work/living in the EU, you claimed it would stay the same, i asked you twice to support that claim - You haven't.

Of course thats your right and privilege but please then don't claim to be the victim.

Aside, you too can go on the Westminster thread (i don't anymore, its an echo chamber, so that will be a bonus?)

Ok jas it won't stay precisely the same but we will still very easily be able to travel and work in the eu.

Dusty, fair enough, its certainly controversial!

I'm not that bothered anymore about Brexit (because i now have a EU passport) but i do care about the UK and i firmly believe that any no deal brexit will have significant consequence for us all.

Whilst i would love a EFTA/CU solution, our present Govt will not go down this route.
Which is why i suggest revoke or perhaps a postponement if you like.

Dusty it is a good video , it dials down the reasons that there has been a populist "revolt". I have always seen Brexit as a vote against globalism. Globalism hasn't been working for a growing number of people for years. Wages stagnating to due to mass immigration causing an oversupply in the labour market. Instead of addressing the issues politicians have been busy being "Internationalist" whilst looking down and labelling people with genuine concerns "deplorable".