Westminstenders: "I don't give a flying flamingo"

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Amid scenes parliament was shut down.

In an unprecedented comment the Speaker, stated it was not an ordinary prorogation and it was blatantly an attempt to stop the executive being held to account.

And now it seems a Scottish Court agree with him:
"Lord Brodie cont: "the principal reasons for the prorogation were to prevent or impede parliament holding the executive to account and legislating with regard to Brexit, and to allow the executive to pursue a policy of a no deal Brexit without further parliamentary interference"

Thus parliament must reopen. Unless the decision is overturned in a higher court.

This is constitutionally a big deal. The Queen is highly unlikely to attend a reopening, especially in this manner, due to how political it now is.

General Election campaigning has already began with parties trying to take full advantage of the fact that there are currently no rules over spending.

Dominic Cummings actively and openly campaigning for the Conservatives whilst paid as a civil servant by the tax payer is a huge breech of the Civil service code but MPs are struggling to pin the government down on this as its being obstructive.

Cummings is keen to use data to target and personalise people based on their usage of the .gov portal for Brexit. This is OK as its in the national interest apparently. Its also incredibly sinister and concerning about how this could be used against the population.

Anyway if you thought parliament closing would result in a lull in events you were very much mistaken!!

What next?

@OublietteBravo - I do realise we can't- which is what I said that the EU takes pity on us and allows us back in to stop the dystopian nightmare we have descended into.

My point is - I would love revoke - but it is like the brexit unicorns- never going to happen. I would love to be proved wrong

This thing about the Spartans - when did that start and why? I first saw it yesterday, and realised they were referring to the ERG....... what's with this re-branding?

ERG always makes me think rowing machine, but I doubt that’s behind it.

And if posters here think that the 31st October is the use by date, they are very much mistaken.

Could you elaborate more? No, it won't be the end of Brexit, but it will, I hope, be crunch time for Boris Johnson. He was denied his election so he couldn't rig the date to be after leaving, so couldn't pull No Deal and then go to the country. But what else do you mean?

Revoke is a realistic proposal.

Unicorns do not exist.

Thanks for that link to the Cameron book preview, @Peregrina

He won't let Janice Turner interview him, I see ... Such a coward.

DD’s new passport. Still burgundy, but no longer inscribed with “European Union”

@placemats - I'm Irish too. And most people I know are very concerned and not at all fed up with Brexit.

Just realised you are in the UK. Are you referring to Irish people living in Ireland being concerned or Irish/British people living in Britain (I'm using Britain rather than UK as Irish in NI have a very different situation to deal with)?

I'm not being adversarial, I'm just interested, as for the Irish people I know who live in England (don't know any living in Scotland or Wales), it all feels a bit more personal.

Boris Johnson knows that 31st October is the start by date for leaving. The UK will still have to pay into the EU. With or without a deal. The UK can't get out of this easily. To think that all papers are torn up, all deals negated etc past 31st October is a nonsense.

People who live in Northern Ireland, where I was born, and relatives in Ireland. I'm living in England.

I think personally the UK is going to be broken before the UK leaves the EU.

I've lived in Ireland, went to Uni there, worked, got married bought a house. Galway.

I have duel citizenship.

Re the Spartans, I've heard the far right/ alt right like to refer to the 300.
So again, this is code for fascist.
Yet more proof.

@placemats - So for you and your family it is very much personal. If no deal happens, the Irish in NI are likely to be the worst affected, followed by the British in NI.

I would like to have your optimism that Johnson and Cummings will be stopped but looking at the opinion polls in the UK, it looks like whenever the election happens, the tories are likely to get back in with a coalition with the brexit party. No deal will be the only option then.

I think myself that the UK will break up.

If we end up crashing out on 31st October there will be a long period where we don't know which laws are in operation. So more chaos. The lawyers will get rich.

I don't get emails when you @ me.

A week, as we all know on this board, is a long time in politics.

Sparta had two kings. Johnson and Cummings - two kings.

M15 Black Swan is allegedly a Govt document that outlines the worst case scenario post a no deal Brexit.

The Govt is trying to present the Yellowhammer docs as worst case, but the lasted version has been changed - significantly wrt the title being a "base level" plan to "worst case".

There are suggestions on SM that the Black Swan docs have been partially leaked and the LibDem candidate who will take on Boris in a GE has a copy.

There are also rumours abound that when Boris read Black Swan he threw up in horror.

So current thinking is the Govt is playing down the implications and that Yellow Hammer is in fact a very realistic prospect in event of no deal and we are being kept in the dark about the worst case.

So much for Project Fear hey....

twitter.com/evendenkenyon/status/1172092511122276352?s=21

Link to LibDem candidates standing against Boris re: Black Swan

So headlines so far:

Greedy pilots, how dare they ask for a pay rise and stop our luxury holidays to ...

To be followed by,

Greedy lawyers, how dare they try to make sense of a lawless nation.

@placemats - I don't get emails when you @ me.

I only recently discovered that emails are sent when I went to my junk folder and found some emails

I thought @ was just a way highlighting the poster being addressed. That's how I use it anyway.

You can change your MN settings to get emails or not, in Settings.

Hopefully Camersons book will be pirated across the internet before you can say "Ahoy Me hearties" and he won't make much from it.

DGR. Sorry to disappoint you but even if it didn’t sell a single copy he’s already made a shed load (or rather, shepherd’s hut load) of money from it. The advance Harper Collins paid was thought to be in the region of £800,000.

Okay placemats - how do we get to revoke in 6 weeks, or being generous 6 months from where we are now?

If there's a plan (other than campaign for the Lib Dem's, vote Lib Dem's ans demonstrate) then perhaps people should be told what it is so they can get on with it.

In the meantime, if the choice is between a no deal which will kill my husband because of medicine shortages and a withdrawal agreement which doesn't, I'd prefer the withdrawal agreement. Dh's life is more important to me than campaigning only for perfection and ending up with nothing.

Well it looks like CumJob are playing the 'chicken' game with the EU and Farage, refusing to stand down for him, saying No, you stand down for US. No love lost by all accounts.

So the 'plan,' if there be such a thing, is either to whip out the May Deal with a few commas made into semi-colons at the last minute, or to crash out accidentally-on-purpose by pissing off enough people in the EU, who can then be blamed for all the resulting problems.

The former seems more rational. As if that had anything to do with Brexit.

@AutumnCrow - I'm grand. They just go to junk

I don't get emails when you @ me.
I don't get them either. I do get them when someone dms me though, but for some reason it won't let me reply so I look really rude!

I hear you king

The WA is shit.

But people won't die.

I mean I can't reply through the mn website, not through the email itself. That's would have helped clarify