Westminstenders: "I don't give a flying flamingo"

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Amid scenes parliament was shut down.

In an unprecedented comment the Speaker, stated it was not an ordinary prorogation and it was blatantly an attempt to stop the executive being held to account.

And now it seems a Scottish Court agree with him:
"Lord Brodie cont: "the principal reasons for the prorogation were to prevent or impede parliament holding the executive to account and legislating with regard to Brexit, and to allow the executive to pursue a policy of a no deal Brexit without further parliamentary interference"

Thus parliament must reopen. Unless the decision is overturned in a higher court.

This is constitutionally a big deal. The Queen is highly unlikely to attend a reopening, especially in this manner, due to how political it now is.

General Election campaigning has already began with parties trying to take full advantage of the fact that there are currently no rules over spending.

Dominic Cummings actively and openly campaigning for the Conservatives whilst paid as a civil servant by the tax payer is a huge breech of the Civil service code but MPs are struggling to pin the government down on this as its being obstructive.

Cummings is keen to use data to target and personalise people based on their usage of the .gov portal for Brexit. This is OK as its in the national interest apparently. Its also incredibly sinister and concerning about how this could be used against the population.

Anyway if you thought parliament closing would result in a lull in events you were very much mistaken!!

What next?

Are they going to Appeal to the Supreme Court? If so, isn't there also a Miller/Major appeal to the Supreme Court on their English law case?

Sources in No10 now hitting back at the Scottish judges, suggesting they are politically biased:

Sorry, is this Britain, or Zimbabwe ?

If nothing else, the Union is going to be forensically (that's literally for any language buffs ) examined which may not be for the best if it comes to a reasoning that Scotland never lost it's sovereignty - irrespective of what England may think.

I wonder if Johnson is thinking Oh Crumbs!

I assume his next meeting with the Queen is not going to be the easiest.

Tories are going to be annihilated for breaking up the union with statements like that. If NI isn't already, I think they'll be looking at that reaction to the Courts in Scotland with

I am really thinking Cummings is a gift to Labour for this.

I posted on the end of the other thread too - I doubt Yellowhammer will be released (not unless heavily redacted) and I really hope MP's are queueing up to get into HoC, but what happens if Tories don't sit?

The legal activists choose the Scottish courts for a reason".

Well, of course, they did. But if Johnson thinks he can get away with playing dirty, he will find that others can be just as imaginative in thwarting him.

Pmk.
I suspect Boris will ignore the Scottish ruling.
It will however add more grist to the mill of Scottish Independence.
And I don’t blame them.

However, is the Rebel Alliance ( sounds like Star Wars) trying to go for PV before October 31st? Or à GE offering a PV?

What happens if we have 2 versions of Parliament running concurrently?

Tories are going to be annihilated for breaking up the union with statements like that.

Remember a few months ago when polling said that Brexiteers would be happy to trash the Union for Brexit ?

The question is how do Tories feel about that ? It's a very Tory thing to get all misty eyed about "the Union". But then it's also very Tory to have a picture of the Queen in the Conservative Club bar.

If Tories are made to realise it's Brexit or Union, I wonder how they'd vote ?

That said, Tories used to be about the rule of law - as Priti Patel reiterated recently. So let's see how they square that circle. More importantly let's see how society starts to behave should it turn out court rulings are merely advisory.

What happens if we have 2 versions of Parliament running concurrently?

Which side would you hold a rifle for ?

So if Tory gov for England doesn't release Yellowhammer, can the rebel alliance gov release it for Scotland? Would it be only Scotland respecting one parliament as they've ruled? This has certainly driven a division into the heart of the legal system from what I can tell

I really hope MP's are queueing up to get into HoC, but what happens if Tories don't sit?

I assume that legislation that they might have objected to could just get nodded through by the Opposition. After all, there weren't many MPs on the Tory benches when the Grieve bill was put forward, so no division was necessary because sheer weight of numbers showed that there were more for it than against it, however loud Peter Bone shouted.

Lewis Goodalll@lewis*_goodall

All in all prorogation was one of the most politically inept decisions of recent history:

• extension law happened anyway
• prompted Tory MPs to rebel more quickly
• which provoked expulsions
• majority to fall to -44
• provoked huge legal clashes
• might be reversed

A triumph.

You know those George Osborne budgets which looked really clever on the day but by the end of the week had fallen apart?

Prorogation equals that but times a thousand.

PMK

Wow! The plot thickens...

"Tories are going to be annihilated for breaking up the union with statements like that"

Nope
What were the results of that poll on Tories, that they would sacrifice to get Brexit through ?

Was it 70% that said they would let the UK break up, in order to get Brexit

Let's hope so BCF. I'm coming at it more that Cummings may be now hoping to break the country in two using law courts - which might have been his "melting" comment.

For all their hot air I don't believe Tories or Leavers really want to split up the union - yes they are acting like toddlers stamping their feet because someone got the colour of lollipop they wanted, but they know they'd rather be good and still have the lollipop than hit the kid and not.

All in all prorogation was one of the most politically inept decisions of recent history

The biggest fallout will be the role of the Monarch in the UKs constitution coming under scrutiny like never before. Starting with the question of what if the Queen is called to court as a witness ?

And if we think Brexit is being badly handled, imagine how any discussions about our own constitution will go ?

The fall out of the civil war took centuries to settle.

Maybe the power now rests largely with NI and Scotland!
THAT would really be interesting.

"what happens if Tories don't sit?"

If Parliament is legally open,...

then laws will passed by the majority of MPs present,
regardless of the number of MPs who are absent due to a boycott protest, or due to the normal reasons of illness etc

Thank you derigour

and Wales of course

For all their hot air I don't believe Tories or Leavers really want to split up the union

That might have been true 3 years ago. What are the slowly shifting demographic sands going to do to that ? Especially as DS generation have very little emotional attachment to the Union which tends to be an acquired feeling.

I wonder if some Tories might rather no show than have the whip removed for not voting with BoZoCum? Could be safer for many to keep their job in such turbulent times..."but we were prorogued! I believed in the Tory policy and stayed home/booked a month in Antigua as I was told to!"

Telling Scottish voters that Scottish courts don't matter ....

Shortly before a GE .....

That'll go down well

Or deciding instead to obey the court

• as for how much that boosts Brexiter resolve:

imo, there is a limit to how many defeats a govt can have before it looks weak & wobbly

< I wonder how many Tory MPs are currently missing the hell out of a certain TMay >