Westminstenders: "I don't give a flying flamingo"

[RedToothBrush]

Amid scenes parliament was shut down.

In an unprecedented comment the Speaker, stated it was not an ordinary prorogation and it was blatantly an attempt to stop the executive being held to account.

And now it seems a Scottish Court agree with him:
"Lord Brodie cont: "the principal reasons for the prorogation were to prevent or impede parliament holding the executive to account and legislating with regard to Brexit, and to allow the executive to pursue a policy of a no deal Brexit without further parliamentary interference"

Thus parliament must reopen. Unless the decision is overturned in a higher court.

This is constitutionally a big deal. The Queen is highly unlikely to attend a reopening, especially in this manner, due to how political it now is.

General Election campaigning has already began with parties trying to take full advantage of the fact that there are currently no rules over spending.

Dominic Cummings actively and openly campaigning for the Conservatives whilst paid as a civil servant by the tax payer is a huge breech of the Civil service code but MPs are struggling to pin the government down on this as its being obstructive.

Cummings is keen to use data to target and personalise people based on their usage of the .gov portal for Brexit. This is OK as its in the national interest apparently. Its also incredibly sinister and concerning about how this could be used against the population.

Anyway if you thought parliament closing would result in a lull in events you were very much mistaken!!

What next?

Then a GE which Corbyn would have to win
Despite the LDems standing against Labour MPs

It's not as simple as that. In my area, Labour standing against LibDems could siphon off some Remain votes and let the Tory in. In Scotland and Wales, you have to consider SNP and PC.

Corbyn would have to be the largest party, and perhaps then seek a C & S supply with LibDems, SNP and PC. Which would be interesting and quite a difficult balancing act.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/eu-rules-to-eliminate-tax-loopholes-come-into-effect-1.3744565%3fmode=amp

So the third one of these tax law directives thingies comes into effect on the 1st of January 2020. If the UK signs up to the WA before that, would the law apply because of the transition period?

Because if it does, and I had loads of cash I didn't want to pay tax on, I'd crash out with no deal, stick it out for a bit and then sign up to the backstop and paying the £39 billion or whatever it is, from outside the EU.

I know it's frivolous when compared with shortage of meds etc but the thought of my favourite wine getting to expensive is bloody depressing:

www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/12/co-op-boss-warns-of-no-deal-brexit-fresh-food-shortages-and-price-hikes

placemats The shortages - the part that is Brexit and not global / commercial - are because companies have been assuming No Deal

However, they don't know what will happen after No Deal, e.g. tariffs, non-tariff barriers, their goods held up in log-jammed ports

The problem with No Deal is that it is a totally disorderly Brexit
So some have stopped supplying the Uk

With the WA, they can plan ahead, so stocks will resume

The WA means frictionless trade as before, then a future trade deal also setting terms so companies can plan ahead

*too (phone autocorrect)

I really hope the Lib Dems have a serious think about what they want to happen and what is realistic.

ballyhoo If the UK passes the WA, then it is subject to all EU laws, in return for retaining EU trade & agency benefits

So yes, all tax directives from the EU would apply during transition

Many prominant Brexiters have already moved their money abroad, but it is inconvenient for them to be constrained by where they put their money

I know it's frivolous when compared with shortage of meds etc but the thought of my favourite wine getting to expensive is bloody depressing

I have a stockpile of Gin. OK its not so much a stockpile but liking gin a little too much of late, but I think I might start blaming it on Brexit.

Need to stockpile some tonic...

BigChoc I beg to differ with the previous poster because I do indeed, agree.

Mother Since No Deal on 31 October is by far the most likely outcome, our disagreement will probably be of only historic interest, in 49 days time.

*I might borrow it from the Library - I wonder how many copies they will buy and how often they will be borrowed.+

Make sure they go back in the "True Crime" section (courtesy Mark Thomas)

I think I might take it out, return it immediately and put it straight into the Horror section. Maybe next to Stephen King’s “It”.

And agree with RedToothBrush stockpile that tonic. And know who your friends are

Another reminder to store chocolate 🍫🍫 !

And not the horrid Americanised spoiled milk and palm oil obscenity - that's not worth saving
Lindt 🍫🍫 hasn't succumbed to such depravity, at least not in Germany

I really hope the Lib Dems have a serious think about what they want to happen and what is realistic.

I very much doubt whether they will be putting too much effort into seats where they have a very small share of the vote, but the the South East especially, they run the Tories second in quite a number.

But even with a lot of activists on the ground, there are only so many peopoe and they won't get round everywhere. It's possible to have a big push for a by-election, but with a GE activists have to be spread more thinly.

One of the complaints by the Tories trying to defend Oxford West and Abingdon was that they had their directions from Central Office so were putting their effort into adjacent seats which always turned a Tory majority, while their own seat was under threat and their Central Office didn't listen. May's visitation didn't help either; she was the kiss of death as far as all the seats she visited were concerned.

I just loved the Edna O'Brien piece on Channel 4 news.

She's bang on the money about Johnson and Cummings causing anarchy and then becoming dictators and despots to control the anarchy.

Gosh, we're getting tetchy tonight Not surprising given the shenanigans that will impact on real life people that our so called Government has been up to. Given the way that they've been trying to obfuscate, obscure, intimidate, procrastinate and prevaricate, it's not surprising that we're confused and pissed of and snapping at each other

My understanding of the WA (says I timidly, sticking my head above the parapet ) is that it means that we get technically an ever shortening a period of transition although it can be extended .....
During that transition period,

1. the UK continues to pay in to the EU coffers but without a vote (two of the ERG's many complaints)
2. but it is in a unique SM/CU with the EU (thus keeping on the right side of the GFA), so maintaining EU regulations (yet another one of the ERG's many complaints)
3. but which also allows it to formally begin proper trade discussions with other countries (unlike the pretendy discussions that have been going on because we are officially still a member), including the EU (for a FTA which may or may not resemble the PD)
4. but it can't actually activate any that would involve diverging from the CU/SM requirements unless and until the Backstop can be agreed (ie the imaginary technological solution to the frictionless border), without which the GFA is breached , which is why it can't be time limited (the really big ERG complaint).

So I don't see how medications etc supply would be harmed as we are "in" the CU/SM but just without a vote - so apart from losing the UK's influence within the EU and no more MEPs , it should be seamless for at least the period of transition.

But that's part of the problem for the ERG with the WA: the very fact that it would be seamless and they would have to abide by things like ATAD

Document on the Scottish view of why Johnson lied.

socialsecuritychamber.scot/docs/librariesprovider2/default-document-library/2019csih49.pdf?sfvrsn=e3179adf_2

Cummings has got a fucking cheek complaining about rich Southern remainers when his fucking in laws live in a castle 😠
At least he can pull up the drawbridge when the riots start...unlike the rest of us having to live in a dystopian nightmare 😠

What are Johnson, Gove, Rees-Mogg, Leasdom etc if they are not rich southern Leavers?

"Johnson has to abide by parliament's vote."

and now many fucks has he shown for Parliament so far ?

If the law is breathing down his neck around 19 October, he merely has to resign as PM

• and leave the Rebel Alliance to select a new PM - and get HMQ approval - within about 10 days

Don't hold your breath waiting for the RA to all agree on JC or on Clarke
They include Labour Remainers, Lexiters, Tory rebels, Independents - who struggle to vote for anything, other than for more delay to avoid a decision

That poll I posted had voters about 2:1 against another extension
More delay means the anger and the extremism ramping up, ever less respect for the law