Westminstenders: "I don't give a flying flamingo"

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Amid scenes parliament was shut down.

In an unprecedented comment the Speaker, stated it was not an ordinary prorogation and it was blatantly an attempt to stop the executive being held to account.

And now it seems a Scottish Court agree with him:
"Lord Brodie cont: "the principal reasons for the prorogation were to prevent or impede parliament holding the executive to account and legislating with regard to Brexit, and to allow the executive to pursue a policy of a no deal Brexit without further parliamentary interference"

Thus parliament must reopen. Unless the decision is overturned in a higher court.

This is constitutionally a big deal. The Queen is highly unlikely to attend a reopening, especially in this manner, due to how political it now is.

General Election campaigning has already began with parties trying to take full advantage of the fact that there are currently no rules over spending.

Dominic Cummings actively and openly campaigning for the Conservatives whilst paid as a civil servant by the tax payer is a huge breech of the Civil service code but MPs are struggling to pin the government down on this as its being obstructive.

Cummings is keen to use data to target and personalise people based on their usage of the .gov portal for Brexit. This is OK as its in the national interest apparently. Its also incredibly sinister and concerning about how this could be used against the population.

Anyway if you thought parliament closing would result in a lull in events you were very much mistaken!!

What next?

Peregrina - Gove is Scottish.

I am sure we are as proud of him as we are of Trump (Scottish mother)

Revoke - it's one way of getting around asking for an extension and he may not have to he dead in a ditch.

Very much doubt it will happen but who knows with Johnson.

I know it's frivolous when compared with shortage of meds etc but the thought of my favourite wine getting to expensive is bloody depressing

The increase in cost from tariffs would be minimal - about 10p on a bottle of still wine and something like 15-20p on sparkling.

A drop in the ocean compared to excise duty (£2.68 on still wine and £4.03 on sparkling).

flouncy I don't eat choc with fillings, except nuts, so my Lindt is safe:

https://www.lindt.co.uk/world-of-lindt/sustainability/sustainable-palm-oil/

The only vegetable fat used in the production of all LINDT chocolates is pure cocoa butter.

Some fillings of LINDT chocolates contain various vegetable fats, including palm oil.
In the production process, Lindt & Sprüngli opts for palm oil from sustainable production in order to minimize harmful effects of palm oil production on the environment and humans.

I might borrow it from the Library - I wonder how many copies they will buy and how often they will be borrowed.

My library authority had over 70 pre-publication reservations for 'The Testaments'.

DC's book currently has 7.

This is something from that report;

"The decision to prorogue for five weeks was an abuse of power. It was disproportionate to the declared purpose of paving the way for a Queen’s Speech. That could be achieved by a prorogation of a few days.
Just as there was a sliding scale,in which the cogency of the justification required for interfering with a right will be proportionate to its perceived importance and the extent of the interference (Pham vSecretary of State[2015] 1WLR 1591 at paras [105]-[106]), so there was a similar scale concerning justification for executive action which interfered with a fundamental principle of the constitution; that of responsible government."

The Queen's Speech did not need 5 weeks to be written. They could have come back in a week.

Actually, 6, because I had to place a reservation myself to find out the figures, but I cancelled it afterwards.

The real sacrilege in some Cadbury's choc & other brands is the "spoiled milk / vomit" 🤮 taste in the choc itself,
caused by the American process increase shelf-life

Don't worry about the price increase of wine...you can get duty free on your travels...oh hang on...

Prorogue enabled them to shut down Parliament for 4 extra weeks - aince MPs would otherwise have had the choice not to have a conference recess at this time

Anyone heard if the Tory conference will allow expelled rebels as speakers at fringe meetings ?

I heard they stopped the Tory Remainer organiser (sorry, forgot the name) from attending

Page 23 - 28 is the decision thinking of one of the Judges.

It's pretty damning in what it says. And everything has been discussed on these pages.

Red don't forget bellinis dried lemons and limes to go with the

Dried lemons and limes??? Sounds awesome (goes off to search MN). My freezer is currently full of the damn things as someone bought me a shed load as a housewarming gift to go with a bottle of gin. I'm desperately trying to use the damn things up as I have the world smallest freezer.

Herseys is enough to put anyone off chocolate for life. (Adds chocolate to list to stockpile)

Lol, wish I were that well off!!

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People should read that report. It's pretty damning.

No reason was given as to why it had to be 5 weeks.

Stop peddling false hope that medicines are guaranteed with the WA they really aren't. To claim medicines will be fine is horribly misleading and naive.

If you wanna disagree with this then tell me where my fucking partner's medication is. Tell me why when we have the technology and the expertise doctors are telling cancer patients that they don't have the funds for the specialised treatment because of brexit.

Just tell the truth - The WA adds a layer of certainty at customs it will not protect the NHS and therefore patients are at risk.

There's still benefits of the WA over no deal but it's still endangering patients just in a different way.

Now my blood pressure is through the roof and I will never fucking read these threads again.

Those who want to argue, sorry debate , or tut or just be super David Cameron about it - you've fallen to far down the rabbit hole look up and out.

The only thing that will guarantee meds and treatments being available is no Brexit and much more investment in the nhs.

You're right, 1 without the other is delaying the issues, not solving them.

I'm sorry to say I don't see the latter happening :(

Sorry hazard. That is the advice my Dh was given about meds - I didn't mean to infer either that they're fine at the moment - just that my personal preference is for WA over no deal.

So sorry hazard. Brexit makes me very angry. Norway plus would solve it. I just don't know who has the political clout to stop this madness.
No Deal is immediate terrifying chaos. WA is still crap but we don't sink quite as fast and perhaps it might buy more time for the opposition to get sorted (Corbyn won't be there forever) and a real alliance to take shape...

The WA means it's harder for the Americans to move in, at least in the short term. And that's the big thing for me.

The reality is we are still in the EU and all that is already happening. Remaining isn't going to reverse any if that either on its own either.

The WA admittedly is liable to speed up that process. It doesn't start it though either.

We need wholesale change to save the NHS, and as I've said previously I'm not convinced that the LDs who are the ones with Remain as policy, really get that.

It's a domestic issue, that we need to see as separate from Brexit though intrinsically linked with privatisation and funding which can only get worse with an American deal.

It needs a change of government to a more left wing one, than a hard extreme right wing one. And I factor that into how I think about the WA...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3690753-Westminstenders-Its-like-a-bloody-aviary?msgid=90032644#90032644
New thread.

@Hazardtired
I so wish that i had a magic wand to make it all go away. I have a few people close to me with similar worries. It’s crap.