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Westministenders: Parliament Perogies pushing Rats in the Corner

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 19:35

One Opposition MP has just talked in parliament about how little the public understand what Preroguation is and what it meant. She described how one constituent thought it was about perogies.

The Benn Bill is now law and compels Johnson to ask for an extension if we have no deal.

Something that he has said he will die in a ditch to avoid and has suggested he would break the law.

But his options are hugely limited - if he refuses to do so and we no deal accidentally now, he is potentially personally liable for loses. He has no majority and the defeats keep on coming as a result.

Everything coming out now is the behaviour of a man with his back to the wall. The only thing he can do is frame everything as a people v the establishment and hope he survived until a GE. This is a dangerous time - he is now a rat in the corner with nothing to lose.

After Rudd's resignation, not much has got better for Johnson. Several other Tory MPs have signalled they won't stand again. This might mean they decide to rebel as they have nothing to lose. Lord Wellington, who has Tory written through him like a stick of rock, has also resigned the party. Attorney General Buckland hasn't resigned but has made threatening noises if the rule of law is broken.

Proroguation now does stack pressure on Johnson. He has to be the one to make moves and that is going to be difficult for him. However it also gives him time to say and do something without the scrutiny of parliament who have been blowing his arguments and legal assertions to bits with such ease.

Today he has visited Dublin where he stood next to Leo Varadkar who was less than polite nor even particularly diplomatic. The discomfort on Johnson's face and in his body language was very obvious. Varadkar in no uncertain terms said: ""if there is no deal, it will cause disruption for British and Irish people alike", adding "there's no such thing as a clean break, or just getting it done" and that he'd recieved no workable plan.

Tonight are two emergency debates. The first has just concluded about the government's lack of willingness to release documents relating to proroguation and operation yellowhammer.

Its been reported that ministers and civil servants have used private communications to conduct government ministers and this has caused huge concerns and Grieve wants to compel the government to release them. The government have responded saying this is an invasion of privacy. This has raised the accusation that Dominic Cummings personally has rifled through the phone messages of the former treasury communications officer as he sacked her and number 10 were not particularly concerned about her privacy then.

At the same time as the debate the government were briefing the press that they would refuse to comply with demands to release information. Grieve then made the point this was leading to the complete breakdown in trust in government.

David Allen Green said that if the government were to do this we could well be headed into a full blown constitutional crisis. This is the first time he's said he thinks we are actually at this stage.

Grieve was supported by the house by 311 votes to 302 votes ordering the government to release the documents.

The second debate is about the Rule of Law and the government's obligation to obey the Rule of Law.

Yet to come tonight is another vote about an early General Election before parliament pergoies, possibly in the early hours.

In other news John Bercow has decided to stand down at the next election or on the 31st October, which ever is sooner. There are rumours he was about to be deselected by his local conservative association and against convention would have to fight an election to win back his seat. He therefore was merely taking action before he was pushed. This might also be an action to protect parliament from the election of a new speaker after another election, fearing that there might be a hard right takeover which could threaten parliamentary soverignity.

Also this:
Declan Lawn @DecLawn
ERG stalwart Andrew Bridgen on @BBCPM saying the only way he could see a NI only backstop being acceptable is if it was put to an NI-only referendum. Fascinating.

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BirdandSparrow · 09/09/2019 23:42

PMK

Outsomnia · 09/09/2019 23:43

And some failures are rewarded....... honestly why? Payback time maybe.

twitter.com/MarkDiStef/status/1171174707720269824?s=20

SistemaAddict · 09/09/2019 23:44

Is Boris drunk?

Dontlickthetrolley · 09/09/2019 23:45

I see Mr Peter Bone is asleep

Apileofballyhoo · 09/09/2019 23:45

Goes off to read up on what Ruth Davidson has written in the Standard that is not complimentary to BJ Cummings

I did that too - but I couldn't get through the other bullshit so I stopped reading.

Belindabelle · 09/09/2019 23:45

I think he is well refreshed. Apparently spent most of the evening in the dining room holding court.

AutumnCrow · 09/09/2019 23:47

Those honours Shock ffs

Apileofballyhoo · 09/09/2019 23:51

Goes off to read up on what Ruth Davidson has written in the Standard that is not complimentary to BJ Cummings
I did that too - but I couldn't get through the other bullshit so I stopped reading.

Apologies, I clicked on their general article. I've read Ruth's now. She's not wrong.

NotaRealLawyer · 09/09/2019 23:52

Outsomnia I thought Robbie Gibb was a Bee Gee?

(Sorry, I've been up since 6 am. I need to sleep, but don't want to miss anything.......)

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 09/09/2019 23:56

I desperately need to go to bed, but don't want to wake up and hear about some freak general election.

chomalungma · 09/09/2019 23:57

Boris Johnson looks pissed off.

pigeononthegate · 09/09/2019 23:58

Boris looks a total mess.

Outsomnia · 10/09/2019 00:01

These late night sittings are ridiculous. I doubt all still in the chamber are fully sober!

Not a word about proroguing (or however the way it is spelled). Nor anything about the "sacking" of many truly experienced and loyal members of the Tory Party either. Nothing. And many other issues besides.

But I suppose they are all looking forward to five weeks PAID leave just after the Summer recess. Honestly.

prettybird · 10/09/2019 00:03

Does the twat currently speaking (Sky doesn't tell you) not know that to be a member of EFTA, the UK would need to accept FoM (plus all the other aspects in the WA) Confused

Quite apart from the fact that EFTA might not want the UK Hmm

Peregrina · 10/09/2019 00:04

So many other MPs are more impressive speakers than Boris Johnson, even some of the Tories.

Alsohuman · 10/09/2019 00:04

Boris looks as if he’s given up. Although I suspect that’s wishful thinking.

prettybird · 10/09/2019 00:06

BTW: "twat" in Scotland (at least where I am) just means idiot Grin. But I'd be ok if people read it with the stronger and really rude meaning it has in some parts of the UK Wink

AutumnCrow · 10/09/2019 00:07

Nicky Morgan's bizarre braying going down like a ton of sick on Twitter as well as here. What has possessed her?? She knows deep down this is all just some some toxic fantasy.

prettybird · 10/09/2019 00:10

The Lords are earning their £300 daily fee money tonight (even after their extra work last week Wink) as they or at least a few of them have to stay around until the end of this debate, so that they can officially prorogue parliament with "La reine le veut" (or something along those lines) Grin

Peregrina · 10/09/2019 00:10

..... Nor anything about the "sacking" of many truly experienced and loyal members of the Tory Party either.......

That has now been remedied by the Labour MP for Sedgefield, who mentioned Soames, Jo Johnson, Amber Rudd and the Duke of Wellington.

StrakerAndBarlow · 10/09/2019 00:11

Nicky Morgan does actually looked possessed...

Hazardtired · 10/09/2019 00:11

How loooooong is this debate....