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Westministenders: Parliament Perogies pushing Rats in the Corner

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 19:35

One Opposition MP has just talked in parliament about how little the public understand what Preroguation is and what it meant. She described how one constituent thought it was about perogies.

The Benn Bill is now law and compels Johnson to ask for an extension if we have no deal.

Something that he has said he will die in a ditch to avoid and has suggested he would break the law.

But his options are hugely limited - if he refuses to do so and we no deal accidentally now, he is potentially personally liable for loses. He has no majority and the defeats keep on coming as a result.

Everything coming out now is the behaviour of a man with his back to the wall. The only thing he can do is frame everything as a people v the establishment and hope he survived until a GE. This is a dangerous time - he is now a rat in the corner with nothing to lose.

After Rudd's resignation, not much has got better for Johnson. Several other Tory MPs have signalled they won't stand again. This might mean they decide to rebel as they have nothing to lose. Lord Wellington, who has Tory written through him like a stick of rock, has also resigned the party. Attorney General Buckland hasn't resigned but has made threatening noises if the rule of law is broken.

Proroguation now does stack pressure on Johnson. He has to be the one to make moves and that is going to be difficult for him. However it also gives him time to say and do something without the scrutiny of parliament who have been blowing his arguments and legal assertions to bits with such ease.

Today he has visited Dublin where he stood next to Leo Varadkar who was less than polite nor even particularly diplomatic. The discomfort on Johnson's face and in his body language was very obvious. Varadkar in no uncertain terms said: ""if there is no deal, it will cause disruption for British and Irish people alike", adding "there's no such thing as a clean break, or just getting it done" and that he'd recieved no workable plan.

Tonight are two emergency debates. The first has just concluded about the government's lack of willingness to release documents relating to proroguation and operation yellowhammer.

Its been reported that ministers and civil servants have used private communications to conduct government ministers and this has caused huge concerns and Grieve wants to compel the government to release them. The government have responded saying this is an invasion of privacy. This has raised the accusation that Dominic Cummings personally has rifled through the phone messages of the former treasury communications officer as he sacked her and number 10 were not particularly concerned about her privacy then.

At the same time as the debate the government were briefing the press that they would refuse to comply with demands to release information. Grieve then made the point this was leading to the complete breakdown in trust in government.

David Allen Green said that if the government were to do this we could well be headed into a full blown constitutional crisis. This is the first time he's said he thinks we are actually at this stage.

Grieve was supported by the house by 311 votes to 302 votes ordering the government to release the documents.

The second debate is about the Rule of Law and the government's obligation to obey the Rule of Law.

Yet to come tonight is another vote about an early General Election before parliament pergoies, possibly in the early hours.

In other news John Bercow has decided to stand down at the next election or on the 31st October, which ever is sooner. There are rumours he was about to be deselected by his local conservative association and against convention would have to fight an election to win back his seat. He therefore was merely taking action before he was pushed. This might also be an action to protect parliament from the election of a new speaker after another election, fearing that there might be a hard right takeover which could threaten parliamentary soverignity.

Also this:
Declan Lawn @DecLawn
ERG stalwart Andrew Bridgen on @BBCPM saying the only way he could see a NI only backstop being acceptable is if it was put to an NI-only referendum. Fascinating.

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Apileofballyhoo · 09/09/2019 23:05

He just said in parliament he will NOT ask for a delay.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2019 23:05

pretty Your cats look so aristocratic in their features & colouring
Very Royal Siamese

NotaRealLawyer · 09/09/2019 23:05

Apileofballyhoo I'm watching. He just repeated it.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2019 23:06

"she's supporting this vile behaviour. Why?"

Career & pay check

Apileofballyhoo · 09/09/2019 23:06

That's it now, Boris against parliament even if it breaks the law.

NotaRealLawyer · 09/09/2019 23:07

Corbyn speaking and picked him up on it.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2019 23:10

"he will NOT ask for a delay"

Well, the legal ways to avoid doing so:

  • he regains his majority and repeals the bill - that looks impossible, not matter what inducements & threats
  • or he resigns as PM around 19 October
  • or shoots himself in the arse and expires from brain damage
pigeononthegate · 09/09/2019 23:11

I know it's been said before, but I'm honestly gaping at the vicious, nasty, puerile, lawless behaviour coming from the government side of the House. It's utterly shocking. Frightening, in fact.

Dusty01 · 09/09/2019 23:13

I agree. I can't bear to watch it. Are they always this bad? I've only started watching in the last year.

Outsomnia · 09/09/2019 23:13

Oh the ERG must terrify Johnson now. Either that or he is on glue of some sort.

End of days beckons. It is just not fair on people who want to live their lives, look after their families and be law abiding.

All normal ethos seems to have been or will be thrown out the window.

Strange thing is the lack of even a whimper from those who know this approach is dreadful for all of us.

Basilpots · 09/09/2019 23:18

Any idea what time the vote is ?

pigeononthegate · 09/09/2019 23:18

Fucking hell.

NotaRealLawyer · 09/09/2019 23:19

Shame on Nicky Morgan and her swivelled eyed shouty coffee percolator impersonations.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2019 23:19

Terrifying the number of Westministenders pp who are dependent, or their families are, on the meds listed as having supply issues Sad

Must be millions around the country
I suppose Brexiters on those meds are either unaware of the problem, or refusing to believe their Brexit could cause it.

chomalungma · 09/09/2019 23:19

It's very loud in the House at the moment...

AutumnCrow · 09/09/2019 23:20

I didn't think Nicky Morgan could sink any lower in my estimation but she just did, the utter braying loon.

chomalungma · 09/09/2019 23:20

You can see the YouTube soundbites in these speeches

galvantula · 09/09/2019 23:21

I actually can't look at the Tories laughing their stupid smug faces off while Corbyn talks.

Then Johnson getting up every now and again to repeat his whiny " well just call an election then" which he thinks is such a gotcha.

I'm no great Corbyn fan but ffs what a bunch of arses.

StrakerAndBarlow · 09/09/2019 23:23

Christ on a bike...

Apileofballyhoo · 09/09/2019 23:25

This is absolutely shocking.

NotaRealLawyer · 09/09/2019 23:29

Johnson really does not give a shit in this does he?
Grim.

prettybird · 09/09/2019 23:31

Listening to Ian Blackford at the moment and just musing that it has made such a difference becoming the 3rd largest party in getting the SNP message across. Smile - because the SNP now gets proper time in debates Smile

Goes off to read up on what Ruth Davidson has written in the Standard that is not complimentary to BJ Cummings Wink

galvantula · 09/09/2019 23:32

Must. Put. TV. Off.

I need to get up for work in 6 hours and should try to sleep for some of them. :(

NotaRealLawyer · 09/09/2019 23:35

In time to come, scholars of Hansard will see this for what it is.

(Also, I've never seen so many awful haircuts on Tory politicians as I have tonight. There should be a thread on it in Style and Beauty)

chomalungma · 09/09/2019 23:38

Alan Duncan has done a good speech.
He highlighted the point that a general election is general and it might not solve Brexit.

Also liked his talk about Conservatives who have lost the whip

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