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Westministenders: Parliament Perogies pushing Rats in the Corner

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 19:35

One Opposition MP has just talked in parliament about how little the public understand what Preroguation is and what it meant. She described how one constituent thought it was about perogies.

The Benn Bill is now law and compels Johnson to ask for an extension if we have no deal.

Something that he has said he will die in a ditch to avoid and has suggested he would break the law.

But his options are hugely limited - if he refuses to do so and we no deal accidentally now, he is potentially personally liable for loses. He has no majority and the defeats keep on coming as a result.

Everything coming out now is the behaviour of a man with his back to the wall. The only thing he can do is frame everything as a people v the establishment and hope he survived until a GE. This is a dangerous time - he is now a rat in the corner with nothing to lose.

After Rudd's resignation, not much has got better for Johnson. Several other Tory MPs have signalled they won't stand again. This might mean they decide to rebel as they have nothing to lose. Lord Wellington, who has Tory written through him like a stick of rock, has also resigned the party. Attorney General Buckland hasn't resigned but has made threatening noises if the rule of law is broken.

Proroguation now does stack pressure on Johnson. He has to be the one to make moves and that is going to be difficult for him. However it also gives him time to say and do something without the scrutiny of parliament who have been blowing his arguments and legal assertions to bits with such ease.

Today he has visited Dublin where he stood next to Leo Varadkar who was less than polite nor even particularly diplomatic. The discomfort on Johnson's face and in his body language was very obvious. Varadkar in no uncertain terms said: ""if there is no deal, it will cause disruption for British and Irish people alike", adding "there's no such thing as a clean break, or just getting it done" and that he'd recieved no workable plan.

Tonight are two emergency debates. The first has just concluded about the government's lack of willingness to release documents relating to proroguation and operation yellowhammer.

Its been reported that ministers and civil servants have used private communications to conduct government ministers and this has caused huge concerns and Grieve wants to compel the government to release them. The government have responded saying this is an invasion of privacy. This has raised the accusation that Dominic Cummings personally has rifled through the phone messages of the former treasury communications officer as he sacked her and number 10 were not particularly concerned about her privacy then.

At the same time as the debate the government were briefing the press that they would refuse to comply with demands to release information. Grieve then made the point this was leading to the complete breakdown in trust in government.

David Allen Green said that if the government were to do this we could well be headed into a full blown constitutional crisis. This is the first time he's said he thinks we are actually at this stage.

Grieve was supported by the house by 311 votes to 302 votes ordering the government to release the documents.

The second debate is about the Rule of Law and the government's obligation to obey the Rule of Law.

Yet to come tonight is another vote about an early General Election before parliament pergoies, possibly in the early hours.

In other news John Bercow has decided to stand down at the next election or on the 31st October, which ever is sooner. There are rumours he was about to be deselected by his local conservative association and against convention would have to fight an election to win back his seat. He therefore was merely taking action before he was pushed. This might also be an action to protect parliament from the election of a new speaker after another election, fearing that there might be a hard right takeover which could threaten parliamentary soverignity.

Also this:
Declan Lawn @DecLawn
ERG stalwart Andrew Bridgen on @BBCPM saying the only way he could see a NI only backstop being acceptable is if it was put to an NI-only referendum. Fascinating.

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OublietteBravo · 09/09/2019 22:17

Oh, and the town I was born in is on the list too. I didn’t realise it was a marginal these days.

GeistohneGrenzen · 09/09/2019 22:20

pigeononthegate the list didn't work because the http started with an uppercase 'H'! When I subbed lowercase it did work Smile

BoreOfWhabylon · 09/09/2019 22:20

pmk

Hazardtired · 09/09/2019 22:22

Sorry cut and paste fail Blush

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 22:24

Tomorrows Mail presented without comment

Westministenders: Parliament Perogies pushing Rats in the Corner
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TheABC · 09/09/2019 22:25

Flowers for everyone worrying about the drugs situation. It's fucking ridiculous we have come to this.

Icantreachthepretzels · 09/09/2019 22:32

Morley might have now found itself in the bad books after his disastrous walk around there ... might find itself removed from the list. He turned up out of the blue on the way to Wakefield (literally out of the blue - Andrea Jenkins the Morley MP was sitting in Wakefield waiting for him to arrive when she got the message he was in her constituency) not only did a man shake his hand and politely to tell him to get out of his town - but he was chased down the road by an angry leaver with a pushchair heckling him that he needed to be in Brussels getting a deal. I think it came as rather a shock to him that leave supporters hate him as well.

HoneysuckIejasmine · 09/09/2019 22:32

I take two of the drugs on the speculative list. Without one, my endometriosis will rear it's head again. Without the other, I will deteriorate rapidly until I am unable to move without severe pain. I'm a sahm , so that'll be interesting.

My FIL is are ardent no deal advocate. We will be having words if this comes to fruition. And then, I dare say, we'll never speak again.

Dbro is on very many drugs to keep him alive. Honestly I can't look too closely for his because I just can't bear to think about it.

IDontBelieveYou · 09/09/2019 22:33

Are we still expecting more votes tonight?

StarbucksSmarterSister · 09/09/2019 22:35

The town where I live is on that list. I wouldn't consider it remotely "left behind". However the town where I grew up is not despite being, I would say, more deprived. Both voted leave by similar margins.

IDontBelieveYou · 09/09/2019 22:35

My local town councillor with yet more guff -

“I reflect that it's very hard to think of any major change in society ever without the law being broken.
Maybe it will take the law to be broken to bring about a proper Brexit?”

Wtf.

Violetparis · 09/09/2019 22:36

Cheadle near Stockport flips between Lib Dems and Tories so it could be that one, it isn't a left behind town. My hometown is on the list, ex mining town, I will be gutted if the people there get taken in by the lies of Johnson.

NoWordForFluffy · 09/09/2019 22:41

PMK.

My (remain) town is on the list above. It won't make me vote Tory. I'm pretty sure we'll go back to yellow next time. Blue was a blip.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2019 22:45

Thanks, red 💐

"Grieve was supported by the house by 311 votes to 302 votes ordering the government to release the documents"

@Red Is there any significance that this is less than half the majority the Rebel Alliance had in previous key votes ?

Bridgen, of all people supporting an NI-only ref on the backstop
Wow, it's been suggested before, but rejected to date by the Tories
It would be an excellent basis to compromise even with hardcore Leave MPs

Hazardtired · 09/09/2019 22:45

Is it worth contacting local councillors re meds btw?

MP decided to respond with a standard brexit chat....I had not mentioned brexit!

cherin · 09/09/2019 22:45

What I don’t understand is...
What does the average Briton misses out on, by being a EU member? You still get your very British quirks, you still drive on your preferred side of the street, you can eat a quantity of crisps that would make the average Mediterranean break out in instant spots ;-) you can have hot and cold water taps and refuse to install bidets so your European guests can go home and have something to discuss about...
Sovereignty? After you have a moronic Mp elected by 90.000 people??? After having said out loud that the rule of law can be interpreted (Raab, the other genius)
If anyone says that again “ah but it’s worth it, for the sovereignty” I’ll scream out loud.
With a no deal, your people risks not having access to medication they deserve. Medications that as the 5th (or 6th) richest country on the planet SHOULD be taking for granted!!! If you don’t provide adequate care to your people, which type of country are you?
(The “you” is rhetorical, I don’t mean you, I’m screaming at the government)

Breathe in, breathe out

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 09/09/2019 22:47

3 of my meds in that list, though hopefully when they figure out what's actually wrong with me instead of just treating the pain it'll just be one I need daily. Thankful I'm not in as bad as a position as others here. Thanks to you all who will suffer far worse than me and those who'll suffer similarly of course

ARoomWithoutADoor · 09/09/2019 22:49

Perogie placemat ing

BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2019 22:51

Bercow's Your DS sounds ace ! Grin

Maybe he'll become PM some day
Heck, if he became PM now, he'd be miles better than the crooked fuckwit we've got

BigChocFrenzy · 09/09/2019 22:54

BJ doesn't seem to have been brought up to behave properly in public

Was that because of Eton & Oxford Bullingdon Club privilege etc,
or was he the indukged favourite child in the family,
or was he born like that ?

Apileofballyhoo · 09/09/2019 23:01

Who's up and watching Boris stir up more populist shit? Saying how much the opposition gets paid. When he himself gets the largest salary of all and he is doing nothing.

SistemaAddict · 09/09/2019 23:02

I think children in general would do a much better job of running the country. Their views on fair beat all. Things would be fair, and fun and they'd give one of the parents of children under 6 professional parent status so they are paid a wage by the government for raising their own children instead of going out to work to pay another adult to look after their children. patents would be valued as parents in raising future generations. No easy task as you all know. Single mothers or fathers would get this until their children went to high school and therefore didn't need childcare. SAHP need to be valued for their contribution to their children's early years. It would be optional of course. My dd says I'm always there for them. It gives them the security they personally need. There's so many factors involved though and I'm just fantasising really of a simplistic approach when the reality is complex. Children tend to have a strong moral compass too. Something which is sadly lacking in politics.

Is anything else happening tonight?

prettybird · 09/09/2019 23:03

Ended up watching the 1st 40 minutes of The Rise of the Nazis the 1930s version Sad (once the Parliament version went on to NI which I know is important in as well but after Lady Herman's excellent point about prorogation, it was meaningless waffle ) which was depressing in its direct parallels. I know Sadiq Khan said that history doesn't mirror, it rhymes. But at the moment it seems like a pretty perfect reflection SadAngry

So here is a nice calming picture of a relaxed and beautiful cat doesn't he know it Wink to manage my blood pressure and go back to try and catch up, while watching BJ-Cummings complaining that the Opposition is spoiling his spaffing game by not falling into Cummings' his elephant trap which isn't helping my blood pressure Angry.

Westministenders: Parliament Perogies pushing Rats in the Corner
Apileofballyhoo · 09/09/2019 23:03

Boris has said he will not ask for a delay.

Dusty01 · 09/09/2019 23:04

I'm really shocked that Nicky Morgan is sitting behind him smiling and nodding her head in agreement. There was talk of her resigning too wasn't there? But she's supporting this vile behaviour. Why?