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Westministenders: Parliament Perogies pushing Rats in the Corner

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 19:35

One Opposition MP has just talked in parliament about how little the public understand what Preroguation is and what it meant. She described how one constituent thought it was about perogies.

The Benn Bill is now law and compels Johnson to ask for an extension if we have no deal.

Something that he has said he will die in a ditch to avoid and has suggested he would break the law.

But his options are hugely limited - if he refuses to do so and we no deal accidentally now, he is potentially personally liable for loses. He has no majority and the defeats keep on coming as a result.

Everything coming out now is the behaviour of a man with his back to the wall. The only thing he can do is frame everything as a people v the establishment and hope he survived until a GE. This is a dangerous time - he is now a rat in the corner with nothing to lose.

After Rudd's resignation, not much has got better for Johnson. Several other Tory MPs have signalled they won't stand again. This might mean they decide to rebel as they have nothing to lose. Lord Wellington, who has Tory written through him like a stick of rock, has also resigned the party. Attorney General Buckland hasn't resigned but has made threatening noises if the rule of law is broken.

Proroguation now does stack pressure on Johnson. He has to be the one to make moves and that is going to be difficult for him. However it also gives him time to say and do something without the scrutiny of parliament who have been blowing his arguments and legal assertions to bits with such ease.

Today he has visited Dublin where he stood next to Leo Varadkar who was less than polite nor even particularly diplomatic. The discomfort on Johnson's face and in his body language was very obvious. Varadkar in no uncertain terms said: ""if there is no deal, it will cause disruption for British and Irish people alike", adding "there's no such thing as a clean break, or just getting it done" and that he'd recieved no workable plan.

Tonight are two emergency debates. The first has just concluded about the government's lack of willingness to release documents relating to proroguation and operation yellowhammer.

Its been reported that ministers and civil servants have used private communications to conduct government ministers and this has caused huge concerns and Grieve wants to compel the government to release them. The government have responded saying this is an invasion of privacy. This has raised the accusation that Dominic Cummings personally has rifled through the phone messages of the former treasury communications officer as he sacked her and number 10 were not particularly concerned about her privacy then.

At the same time as the debate the government were briefing the press that they would refuse to comply with demands to release information. Grieve then made the point this was leading to the complete breakdown in trust in government.

David Allen Green said that if the government were to do this we could well be headed into a full blown constitutional crisis. This is the first time he's said he thinks we are actually at this stage.

Grieve was supported by the house by 311 votes to 302 votes ordering the government to release the documents.

The second debate is about the Rule of Law and the government's obligation to obey the Rule of Law.

Yet to come tonight is another vote about an early General Election before parliament pergoies, possibly in the early hours.

In other news John Bercow has decided to stand down at the next election or on the 31st October, which ever is sooner. There are rumours he was about to be deselected by his local conservative association and against convention would have to fight an election to win back his seat. He therefore was merely taking action before he was pushed. This might also be an action to protect parliament from the election of a new speaker after another election, fearing that there might be a hard right takeover which could threaten parliamentary soverignity.

Also this:
Declan Lawn @DecLawn
ERG stalwart Andrew Bridgen on @BBCPM saying the only way he could see a NI only backstop being acceptable is if it was put to an NI-only referendum. Fascinating.

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Peregrina · 10/09/2019 13:03

courts apply the law without fear or favour

Cue more 'Enemies of the people' stuff from the Heil and Express.

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 10/09/2019 13:03

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 10/09/2019 13:06

I just burst into sobs of anger and sadness watching the scenes from the prorogation last night.

Angry I can't believe we've come to this.

Songsofexperience · 10/09/2019 13:08

Whilst I will be dressed as a Martha

Anyone up for a Halloween protest on Parliament Square, all dressed as Marthas?

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 10/09/2019 13:09

@bbcpolitics
Jeremy Corbyn promises another #Brexit referendum with a "credible option to Leave and the option to Remain", if Labour wins next election

bbc.in/2ULdfGE #TUC19

MockersthefeMANist · 10/09/2019 13:09

Are you a Rich Remainer?

twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1171357844073000960

Cum-Mouth says we should ignore you. What do you think. Give the servants the afternoon off, pop down to the end of your gravel drives and tell us.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 10/09/2019 13:09

Damn hit post too soon.
If we go down another referendum route, I agree with Corbyn.

Peregrina · 10/09/2019 13:10

One thing I noticed when watching both programmes about the Nazis was that in both of them, they highlighted people who had resisted. It didn't come to a good end for most of them, although I did see that the lawyer (can't remember his name) who tried to take them on, did survive and didn't die until 1984.

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 10/09/2019 13:10

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MuseumOfHam · 10/09/2019 13:12

MissPhryneFisher and everyone else worried about medication Flowers
I'm focussing in on the medication aspect right now, as the bigger picture is too terrifying to contemplate. And I do think that, along the lines of the examples given by backtothedrawingboard1 perfectly 'good' people are being encouraged to think along the lines of well if they weren't so weak and just pulled themselves together, they wouldn't even need to be on medication in the first place. Absolutely the othering of people who are chronically ill, disabled, disadvantaged. Terrifying.

Songsofexperience · 10/09/2019 13:14

Let's see what happens but if it's no deal, I think that would send a certain message. Especially if there's complete silence (as we've been silenced and women will certainly be more impacted...)
Fascism is a very real monster.

DGRossetti · 10/09/2019 13:20

One thing I noticed when watching both programmes about the Nazis was that in both of them, they highlighted people who had resisted. It didn't come to a good end for most of them, although I did see that the lawyer (can't remember his name) who tried to take them on, did survive and didn't die until 1984

If you mean Hans Litten he was pretty quickly shipped off to Dachau, and committed suicide in 1938. Well worth reading about the last months of his life, as you then learn about the Prisoner functionaries (not to be confused with Sonderkommandos)

Don't follow links if you're squeamish.

Peregrina · 10/09/2019 13:21

Good to see that Cummings lives modestly.

DGRossetti · 10/09/2019 13:24

Good to see that Cummings lives modestly.

I find that reassuring ... it's the loincloth-toting possession-eschewing weirdoes that can be most dangerous (think Gandhi). Love of money though - that's more relatable (and controllable). It's how you rule empires ...

Hoooo · 10/09/2019 13:24

Blimey.
I'll tell the housekeeper to cancel the Fortnums order!
Motherfuckers.
Billionaires/Millionaires telling people on low wages that people on average incomes are rich?
Motherfuckers.

Apileofballyhoo · 10/09/2019 13:26

Red Flowers

Songsofexperience · 10/09/2019 13:26

They are cynical bastards.

TheMShip · 10/09/2019 13:26

Thought you'd all like to know that Keir Starmer was reselected unanimously.

Westministenders: Parliament Perogies pushing Rats in the Corner
MockersthefeMANist · 10/09/2019 13:28

If you have Sky or NOW TV, please watch the latest Last Week Tonight where John Oliver as ever has Brexit nailed.

Love the hashtag

#BOJOBROJOJOSAYSNONO!

Peregrina · 10/09/2019 13:28

No, not Hans Litten, - Josef Hartinger is the lawyer who tried his best to stop it.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 10/09/2019 13:30

@ogmurphy1
A source inside Number 10 tells me the PM & Gove have said if Yellowhammer documents are released into is the public domain “Brexit is over” in cabinet meeting.

This would explain why MPs raised information suggesting Gov't is circumventing publishing the Yellowhammer docs

Nothing surprising here

DGRossetti · 10/09/2019 13:32

This would explain why MPs raised information suggesting Gov't is circumventing publishing the Yellowhammer docs

Where's wikileaks when you need them ?

TheMShip · 10/09/2019 13:33

Could publishing the yellowhammer documents really turn the tide? My impression is that a large proportion of voters are entrenched in their positions.

MockersthefeMANist · 10/09/2019 13:33

But wouldn't it be terrible if there were a pissed-off civil servant somewhere with a photocopier handy....?

MockersthefeMANist · 10/09/2019 13:35

Where's wikileaks when you need them ?

HMP Belmarsh

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