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Westministenders: Parliament Perogies pushing Rats in the Corner

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 19:35

One Opposition MP has just talked in parliament about how little the public understand what Preroguation is and what it meant. She described how one constituent thought it was about perogies.

The Benn Bill is now law and compels Johnson to ask for an extension if we have no deal.

Something that he has said he will die in a ditch to avoid and has suggested he would break the law.

But his options are hugely limited - if he refuses to do so and we no deal accidentally now, he is potentially personally liable for loses. He has no majority and the defeats keep on coming as a result.

Everything coming out now is the behaviour of a man with his back to the wall. The only thing he can do is frame everything as a people v the establishment and hope he survived until a GE. This is a dangerous time - he is now a rat in the corner with nothing to lose.

After Rudd's resignation, not much has got better for Johnson. Several other Tory MPs have signalled they won't stand again. This might mean they decide to rebel as they have nothing to lose. Lord Wellington, who has Tory written through him like a stick of rock, has also resigned the party. Attorney General Buckland hasn't resigned but has made threatening noises if the rule of law is broken.

Proroguation now does stack pressure on Johnson. He has to be the one to make moves and that is going to be difficult for him. However it also gives him time to say and do something without the scrutiny of parliament who have been blowing his arguments and legal assertions to bits with such ease.

Today he has visited Dublin where he stood next to Leo Varadkar who was less than polite nor even particularly diplomatic. The discomfort on Johnson's face and in his body language was very obvious. Varadkar in no uncertain terms said: ""if there is no deal, it will cause disruption for British and Irish people alike", adding "there's no such thing as a clean break, or just getting it done" and that he'd recieved no workable plan.

Tonight are two emergency debates. The first has just concluded about the government's lack of willingness to release documents relating to proroguation and operation yellowhammer.

Its been reported that ministers and civil servants have used private communications to conduct government ministers and this has caused huge concerns and Grieve wants to compel the government to release them. The government have responded saying this is an invasion of privacy. This has raised the accusation that Dominic Cummings personally has rifled through the phone messages of the former treasury communications officer as he sacked her and number 10 were not particularly concerned about her privacy then.

At the same time as the debate the government were briefing the press that they would refuse to comply with demands to release information. Grieve then made the point this was leading to the complete breakdown in trust in government.

David Allen Green said that if the government were to do this we could well be headed into a full blown constitutional crisis. This is the first time he's said he thinks we are actually at this stage.

Grieve was supported by the house by 311 votes to 302 votes ordering the government to release the documents.

The second debate is about the Rule of Law and the government's obligation to obey the Rule of Law.

Yet to come tonight is another vote about an early General Election before parliament pergoies, possibly in the early hours.

In other news John Bercow has decided to stand down at the next election or on the 31st October, which ever is sooner. There are rumours he was about to be deselected by his local conservative association and against convention would have to fight an election to win back his seat. He therefore was merely taking action before he was pushed. This might also be an action to protect parliament from the election of a new speaker after another election, fearing that there might be a hard right takeover which could threaten parliamentary soverignity.

Also this:
Declan Lawn @DecLawn
ERG stalwart Andrew Bridgen on @BBCPM saying the only way he could see a NI only backstop being acceptable is if it was put to an NI-only referendum. Fascinating.

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NoWordForFluffy · 10/09/2019 07:26

What's the point in inviting them back really? The reason they were sacked is that they don't agree with BoJo-Cum's course of action. They still don't / won't. And I can't imagine they're the types to just vote with the government because they've been welcomed back like the prodigal son.

Hopefully they tell them where to stick it!

SistemaAddict · 10/09/2019 07:26

My jaw actually dropped at the GE vote as I didn't expect all those abstentions.
Bj reminds me of a primate with the way his rubs his hand over his head and sits there with his arms folded and grumpy. His face says oh fuck this can't be happening. His body language is fascinating and very telling.

Hazardtired · 10/09/2019 07:31

Morning

Reminder the medication issues are not just no deal related and it's likely there will be trouble ahead with some meds going forward due to the brexit/Tory combo and NHS rationing which is being rolled out regardless of brexit.

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2019 07:31

And another photo

Westministenders: Parliament Perogies pushing Rats in the Corner
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Hoooo · 10/09/2019 07:31

We are living in strange times!

I constantly have to remind myself that the very tories we are lauding on these threads for their actions are the same Tories who voted through austerity and swingeing cuts to public services.

Sometimes one should be careful what one wishes for.

QuentinWinters · 10/09/2019 07:37

It's a pendulum hoooo. Now we are seeing how far it can swing

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2019 07:37

All but 1 ld voted against a GE.

The exception was Sarah Wollaston who voted for a GE.

I thought this most curious

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QuentinWinters · 10/09/2019 07:38

I hated Tony Blair, but I wish he was PM now

NoWordForFluffy · 10/09/2019 07:39

It's strange times indeed when we hanker after Blair and Major!

ContinuityError · 10/09/2019 07:40

Jeez, Piers Moron and Emily Thornberry are absolutely screaming at each other on This Morning.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 10/09/2019 07:42

There's no way I could stay up. Is there a longer clip of the ceremony?

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 10/09/2019 07:45

Pmk

I'm on two of those medications. FFS

QuentinWinters · 10/09/2019 07:45
QuentinWinters · 10/09/2019 07:46

Looks like a fight broke out! I cant find the singing tho

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2019 08:02

Woohooo duty free is officially returning. Aren't you all pleased you will save yourself £2.23 on a bottle of wine when you go abroad on holiday.

What do you mean after no deal you won't be able to afford a holiday abroad?

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BigChocFrenzy · 10/09/2019 08:02

Lewis Goodall@lewisgoodall

All the pomp might be familiar, perhaps even comforting.

But just because the people you see are in ermine doesn’t mean democratic institutions aren’t being profoundly stretched. _
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It just means they’re being stretched in Britain.

lostonadustyrock · 10/09/2019 08:02

I want to see the singing too!

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2019 08:07

Sam Coates Sky @samcoatessky
Glorious start to the day making us proud to be alive and work in SW1 from @JackBlanchard at Politico

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BigChocFrenzy · 10/09/2019 08:07

Sad - and dangerous too

I wish there had been a VoNC last week and BJ replaced, rather than give him - and Cummings - 5 weeks unconstrained by Parliament

@red Is the reason they didn't still because they'd rather risk everything than have JC as PM for a couple of weeks

Or is there another reason ?

Lewis Goodall@lewis_goodall

But remember, had the Commons wished to replace the government at any point over the last week, through a VONC they could have done.
They chose not to.

They could have tried to replace them via an election tonight.
They chose not to.

Either would have stopped this prorogation.

Myriade · 10/09/2019 08:11

I think one of the issue is that no one wants the poisoned chalice that being a PM is just now

Belindabelle · 10/09/2019 08:12

I watched till they filed out past the Speaker then had to go to bed.

I missed when Johnson left the chamber. Did any one see him. He did not go to the Lords. He looked an absolute shambles last night.

NoWordForFluffy · 10/09/2019 08:13

I think they're between a rock and a hard place really. Though if they'd sorted a GNU out this would've have been an issue. But then there was the risk that BoJo would refuse to step down. So they've decided that stopping no deal takes priority.

When the government refuses to abide by law and parliamentary convention, I imagine trying to work out what's best to do is challenging. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes. I'm sure they war-gamed every scenario though.

NoWordForFluffy · 10/09/2019 08:14

Wouldn't have, not would've. My phone is being a dick today!

QuentinWinters · 10/09/2019 08:17

I'm glad they didn't do a VONC
Johnson needs to clear up his own mess.
There are 2 options: TMs deal or revoke. TMs deal is a turd. So let's see what he does.

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2019 08:18

BCF there are two opposition groups.

The anti no dealer and the revoke a50ers

There is a big gap between them

And then there's Corbyn himself.

For all the unity of the last week this remains a problem.

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