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Westministenders: Parliament Perogies pushing Rats in the Corner

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RedToothBrush · 09/09/2019 19:35

One Opposition MP has just talked in parliament about how little the public understand what Preroguation is and what it meant. She described how one constituent thought it was about perogies.

The Benn Bill is now law and compels Johnson to ask for an extension if we have no deal.

Something that he has said he will die in a ditch to avoid and has suggested he would break the law.

But his options are hugely limited - if he refuses to do so and we no deal accidentally now, he is potentially personally liable for loses. He has no majority and the defeats keep on coming as a result.

Everything coming out now is the behaviour of a man with his back to the wall. The only thing he can do is frame everything as a people v the establishment and hope he survived until a GE. This is a dangerous time - he is now a rat in the corner with nothing to lose.

After Rudd's resignation, not much has got better for Johnson. Several other Tory MPs have signalled they won't stand again. This might mean they decide to rebel as they have nothing to lose. Lord Wellington, who has Tory written through him like a stick of rock, has also resigned the party. Attorney General Buckland hasn't resigned but has made threatening noises if the rule of law is broken.

Proroguation now does stack pressure on Johnson. He has to be the one to make moves and that is going to be difficult for him. However it also gives him time to say and do something without the scrutiny of parliament who have been blowing his arguments and legal assertions to bits with such ease.

Today he has visited Dublin where he stood next to Leo Varadkar who was less than polite nor even particularly diplomatic. The discomfort on Johnson's face and in his body language was very obvious. Varadkar in no uncertain terms said: ""if there is no deal, it will cause disruption for British and Irish people alike", adding "there's no such thing as a clean break, or just getting it done" and that he'd recieved no workable plan.

Tonight are two emergency debates. The first has just concluded about the government's lack of willingness to release documents relating to proroguation and operation yellowhammer.

Its been reported that ministers and civil servants have used private communications to conduct government ministers and this has caused huge concerns and Grieve wants to compel the government to release them. The government have responded saying this is an invasion of privacy. This has raised the accusation that Dominic Cummings personally has rifled through the phone messages of the former treasury communications officer as he sacked her and number 10 were not particularly concerned about her privacy then.

At the same time as the debate the government were briefing the press that they would refuse to comply with demands to release information. Grieve then made the point this was leading to the complete breakdown in trust in government.

David Allen Green said that if the government were to do this we could well be headed into a full blown constitutional crisis. This is the first time he's said he thinks we are actually at this stage.

Grieve was supported by the house by 311 votes to 302 votes ordering the government to release the documents.

The second debate is about the Rule of Law and the government's obligation to obey the Rule of Law.

Yet to come tonight is another vote about an early General Election before parliament pergoies, possibly in the early hours.

In other news John Bercow has decided to stand down at the next election or on the 31st October, which ever is sooner. There are rumours he was about to be deselected by his local conservative association and against convention would have to fight an election to win back his seat. He therefore was merely taking action before he was pushed. This might also be an action to protect parliament from the election of a new speaker after another election, fearing that there might be a hard right takeover which could threaten parliamentary soverignity.

Also this:
Declan Lawn @DecLawn
ERG stalwart Andrew Bridgen on @BBCPM saying the only way he could see a NI only backstop being acceptable is if it was put to an NI-only referendum. Fascinating.

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AnxietyDream · 10/09/2019 04:06

Up with a two year old who isn't sleepy. Missed the prorogation stuff, will have to catch up on what bercow said.

It's going to be a long five weeks.

Longlivepenguins · 10/09/2019 04:11

Is there any chance that all 600+ of them in HOC might resign, plus the entire ermine-covered shower in HOL too? Cos that would seem to be a result if so. Grin

Sostenueto · 10/09/2019 05:07

5 of my meds are on that listShock
My town is on the list but this is a Tory town and is one of the most deprived in the country.

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2019 05:49

clip of the prorogation and what Bercow said

Westministenders: Parliament Perogies pushing Rats in the Corner
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BestIsWest · 10/09/2019 05:55

Love the singing from the Welsh MPs. Plaid and Labour singing together.

wheresmymojo · 10/09/2019 06:16

PMK from Mallorca 🌴

NoWordForFluffy · 10/09/2019 06:28

I couldn't stay up last night, sadly. Too knackered and I can't risk being so tired I fuck up at work.

I did watch the Bercow clip though. Has he said he'll join in with any alternate Parliament which may be set up (when are they going to tell us if they're doing this)? But what can an alternate Parliament actually do, other than send a message to people that they disapprove of the prorogation?

I'm so disappointed and disgusted and angry and bloody scared right now. What has our country become?

I do get the sense that BoJo is utterly out of his depth with the people pulling his strings now. His life is out of control. For which I'm glad. I hope his demons keep him up at night. He could stop all this, but chooses not to, because ultimately he's so rich it doesn't fucking matter to him. I do think the way it's spiralling out of control will be bothering him, however.

indianbackground · 10/09/2019 06:38

Hi - I see pp know the medication at risk.
Is there a non paywall list of the drugs affected? Thanks and sorry if already posted and I missed it.

Hoooo · 10/09/2019 06:43

Morning.

The 1st morning of our brave new world.

flouncyfanny · 10/09/2019 06:45

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HesterThrale · 10/09/2019 06:47

Maybe Bercow has a future in the EU?

John #Bercow is a driven speaker and gifted orator but above all the keeper of the great British parliamentary tradition. I would love if we could welcome him in the European Commission or European Parliament 😉

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DGRossetti · 10/09/2019 06:51

...notice the format-testing postcode. The number of shitty systems I've had to fix because some numpty didn't know how to parse them correctly (see also: email addresses, phone numbers, names ....)

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NoWordForFluffy · 10/09/2019 06:52

Did everyone else get the email containing the government's response to the prorogation petition? All the same old shit.

Hoooo · 10/09/2019 06:52

I'll be helping dh pack for his trip abroad later.

Sending him with a meds shopping list.

Just seems....unreal.

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SistemaAddict · 10/09/2019 06:57

I really hope there's a clip of Bercow saying that

OhYouBadBadKitten · 10/09/2019 07:05

morning all.

chomalungma · 10/09/2019 07:08

It seems that about 1 in 4 people are on regular prescription medicine with a much higher proportion in more deprived areas, with older people and in women.

There is the potential for a shortage of medicines as has been noted on here. I hope that those people who are for a No Deal Brexit and are reliant on regular medication totally understand that any shortage will have an effect on them.

Mistigri · 10/09/2019 07:12

Virtually all older people are on some sort of medication. Doctors and other health professionals regularly express astonishment that my 83 year old mum takes no regular medication.

Lisette1940 · 10/09/2019 07:14

Dear Lord - went to bed relatively early.

lonelyplanetmum · 10/09/2019 07:17

Regarding the rumours that the 21 expelled Tory MPs may be invited back I have a sort of rhetorical question.

If TM pays £1 billion for the votes of 10 MPs. How much does BJ pay for the votes of 21 MPs? (It's like one of those lateral thinking puzzle things.

Backtothedrawingboard1 · 10/09/2019 07:22

"Love the singing from the Welsh MPs. Plaid and Labour singing together."

Just saw a couple of clips this morning and it sent a little shiver down my spine.

boldlygoingsomewhere · 10/09/2019 07:23

Couldn’t stay up last night...feeling strangely deflated today. I think my final bit of hope has gone.
We are in the hands of nutters. Sad