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The general theme seems to be that if a leave supporter makes a typo in their post it proves that Brexit should be cancelled.

It’s not so bad if there are plenty of leavers on the thread. It gets very bad if one leaver strays onto a Remainers only thread such as Westminstenders. Then they all pile on knowing they hugely outnumber the foolhardy leaver.

Microcosm of Remainer/Leave attitudes going on here.

But hopefully not for much longer now.

The DUP are finished. Parliament does NOT want no deal. I think the slink towards a WA with NI/ROI alignment is actually getting closer now.

But Scotland might be a bit pissed off if NI has more benefits from such a tactic than they have. I dunno.

Anyway, it would mean leaving, and there has to be compromise.

I do not ever want to leave the EU but WA with NI/ROI solution for the sake of GFA would be my compromise now.

It gets very bad if one leaver strays onto a Remainers only thread such as Westminstenders
When remainers get into a pack they are vicious.

I see that the Metropolitan Police will not be pursuing Leave.EU for breaking the law during the 2016 referendum

What with this, the message on the bus being found as reasonable and Darren Grimes winning against the Electoral Commission, pretty much puts paid to the remainer accusation of it being rigged campaign by leave.

Other than Russian interference of course

Parliament does NOT want no deal
Parliament does not want ANY deal, it wants to disregard he peoples vote. Hopefully Boris can stand up for us and get us out by any means possible.

I would rather stay in limbo than a no deal so hoping for a deal (just want revoke really) or extension at the end of October.

Yay, in rides dapple to bitch about Remainers whilst completely failing to contribute to the actual discussion as ever!

Boris will stand by you like chlamydia stands by you.

I wrote Borist. That's a good typo. He's a Borist

Boris will stand by you like chlamydia stands by you
LOL what age are you?

Compromise is totally required now, there is no other way out.

NO DEAL is just the worst case of hubris/arrogance over the quality of life of most.

Well thankfully Parliament has opposed NO DEAL ad infinitum now, and TBH I think they are representing us all.

If someone goes against that, it really is end of days now.

There has to be a middle ground somewhere that will not impact on us. Please.

NoWordForFluffy

Of course we can - and should - ignore people who want no deal. The fact is, they voted to leave with a deal on the referendum. So here's your deal, do you want it or not? If you don't, we stay.

No, that is not a 'fact'.

I speak for my self and several other people I know personally.

This exemplifies why leavers typically don't post on Mumsnet. The vast majority of posts from remainers swing between self-satisfied, smug I know better than you and harbingers of doom.

It reminds of before the referendum when to listen to the media you would assume remain would be the result and yet look what happened.

Sick of reading that mainly old people voted for Brexit Yadda Yadda, I know of 40year olds, 50 year olds, 3 early 20s and a 19 year old. My experience and opinions are never represented in the media and certainly not here on Mumsnet.

Honestly, why would anyone read a thread title like this and dive in if it is the polar opposite to their view? It's not as though you're not represented across the rest of the board.
It wouldn't be acceptable on other topics but Brexit brings you all out.....

I would rather stay in limbo than a no deal

That’s just a slow and painful route to destruction, and the remedy at the end is the same as it would be after no deal.

I'm with @Dapplegrey on this one
Then they all pile on knowing they hugely outnumber the foolhardy leaver.
Yes, they are all rather foolhardy, aren't they?

If only those who would choose to leave with no deal could tell us what the benefits will be immediately on 31st October..

@MysteryTripAgain - I can’t convince myself that the border conundrum should deny 17.4 million votes to leave the EU

Given that you have said on a couple of occasions that the UK system is democratic if you get what you want, but undemocratic if you don't get what you want, the numbers are really irrelevant. Why not just say what you mean - you want to leave, so to hell with NI and the GFA.

you want to leave, so to hell with NI and the GFA

I genuinely don’t understand why this is the fault of the Leavers as opposed to being the fault of the people who won’t allow peaceful hard border?

Because bearbehind there is no such thing as a peaceful hard border in NI. A border of any kind will bring back memories of the Troubles and seen as a target. Also it's not practical, the border is 310 miles and 300 crossing there is no way of manning them all.There are houses in the NI and their drives are in ROI, there are farms split between both. Also people cross the border several times a day whether to visit relatives, go to work or run their businesses. You have farmers in NI who milk their cows, bring the milk to ROI to be pasteurized and thenbrought back up to NI in one day. Thousands of lorries pass through the border several times a day. A hard border would cause chaos and wreck businesses. In fact businesses have come out to say their businesses would be ruined if there was one. So emotionally a hard border would bring people in NI back to a horrific time, be a target for terrorist and cause chaos to those living in border counties. Financially it would ruin businesses. It would decimate NI. There is peace in NI because of the GFA agreement but it's fragile a hard border could not be peaceful not at this moment anyway.

Sadly the vast majority of people in UK really do not feel that NI is involved in all this.

Did they ever really figure this out, I often wonder?

But it is a crucial element in all this, as in GFA.

Am getting a feeling that things might just move on now. There is something just not right about Ten MPs running our country now. Can you believe it!

@Bearbehind - I genuinely don’t understand why this is the fault of the Leavers as opposed to being the fault of the people who won’t allow peaceful hard border?

Where did I say that potential violence is the fault of leavers? The GFA is an international peace treaty. It has finally given parity to nationalists in NI. Prior to the GFA their Irish identity was not recognised. Borders were gerrymandered to ensure unionist majorities. Nationalists were denied housing and jobs. The RUC and other security forces were predominantly unionist and were very biased in their behaviour.

The GFA has ensured that nationalists now get a say in their governance. It ensures that cross-border cooperation happens in many arenas. It ensures that all-island bodies work together in a way that recognises the rights of all citizens in NI.

A hard border will prevent the cross border cooperation and all-island bodies working effectively. A hard border will again force britishness on Irish people.

That is what I am blaming the leavers for. The fact there may be a return to violence is, to me, just another insult added to injury. Anyone who promotes a hard border is promoting a loss of civil rights for people living in the UK. You may be happy to do that. Certainly, there are a number of posters on here who are quite happy to do that.

However, I think advocating your government to break an international peace treaty simply because it is no longer convenient, is unbelievably selfish and lacking in integrity.

When remainers get into a pack they are vicious

As opposed to when Leavers get together and they’re just viscous?”

Because bearbehind there is no such thing as a peaceful hard border in NI.

But that’s not right is it?

Surely it should be possible?

Surely it should be ok for people to move backwards and forwards, at will, without any trouble.

There will NEVER BE NO DEAL now, sorry for shouting.

When the MSM have given up and Brexit is not on the front page, it really is all over.

There has to be compromise now.

outsomnia I used to believe no deal could not happen - I’ve changed my mind

What do you think is going to happen to lead to compromise as, as far as I can see, the opportunity for that is long gone.

@Bearbehind - Surely it should be ok for people to move backwards and forwards, at will, without any trouble.

A hard border breaks the GFA and denies Irish people living in the UK the rights they have been granted under that treaty. Discussion of violence due to the border is a distraction from the main issue here: the UK, and anyone advocating a no deal, is willing to break an international peace treaty because it is seen as inconvenient.

A hard border will also, as stated by @Voila212, destroy the economy of NI, as much of that economy is based on cross-border cooperation and free movement back and forth across the border. There is huge movement back and forth of animals and farm products that a hard border will prevent.