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Westminstenders: The Rule of Law

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RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 14:16

We enter week 2 of what might be considered 'the end game'.

The Conservative Party has made it clear that liberals are not welcome in their ranks. It has become the Brexit Party.

Farage is talking of a pact, though Javid has said no. What would Javid know though, he's only in the Cabinet.

Amber Rudd has resigned. She will run as an independent in an unnamed constituency at the next election. The assumption must therefore be she has been talking to a few people this week about this, though whether that means she is a 'One Nation Tory' independent candidate or simply an independent isn't clear.

Some think that her departure will deal Johnson yet another blow at the polls. Others think as the cabinet members with the worst satisfaction rating amongst tory party members this will be viewed positively by leavers and give Johnson a bounce in the polls.

It been reported that Cummings has overruled Johnson on at least key decisions this week which raises the question of who is in charge and running the show.

Cummings has promised to make us all melt in the coming weeks as he takes a sledge hammer to constitutional convention. He's advised no 10 staff to be 'cool like Fonzies'. A reference to pulp fiction and to happy days. As some have commented if you think about Cummings as some one who has watched too much Tarantino it does make him make a lot more sense.

There are suggestions that Johnson will break the rule of law in refusing to ask for an extension and the No10 have a trick up their sleeve over loopholes. The most obvious thing here being to offer the EU a deal they can't possibly refuse agree too to smear them and to then make it impossible for the EU to agree to an extension which noises out of France seem to suggest anyway.

Tomorrow is going to be interesting...

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Peregrina · 08/09/2019 14:20

PMK

fedup21 · 08/09/2019 14:21

It been reported that Cummings has overruled Johnson on at least key decisions this week which raises the question of who is in charge and running the show.

That beggars belief, doesn’t it?!

Thank you for your continued posts on this, @redtoothbrush. You make things much clearer in my head! Do you have a background in politics or are you just a keen observer?

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 08/09/2019 14:21

Thanks red

BigChocFrenzy · 08/09/2019 14:22

Thanks red 💐
An alarming but very good OP

"if you think about Cummings as some one who has watched too much Tarantino"

I suspect he is also a Mad Max afficionado and wants to destroy everything first, then bring in that dystopia

JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/09/2019 14:23

Thanks Red PMK

chomalungma · 08/09/2019 14:23

Do you have a background in politics or are you just a keen observer

I am sure history will tell who RTB was......

When the history books are written about this time, and information sources are looked at.

(Waves at future historians)

prettybird · 08/09/2019 14:23

Needing to take extra pictures of the cats for the frequency of these threads to place mark Wink

Thanks for the new thread Red Flowers

If we were to do a thread just using your thread titles since 2016, we would have an amazingly prescient summary of the current clusterfuck.

Westminstenders: The Rule of Law
Violetparis · 08/09/2019 14:26

Thank you Red and BigChoc. These threads are my first go to news source at the moment

OublietteBravo · 08/09/2019 14:26

PMK.

IsFuzzyBeagMise · 08/09/2019 14:27

Thank you RTB and all contributors on these threads.

GirlsBlouse17 · 08/09/2019 14:30

Thank you RTB

Unescorted · 08/09/2019 14:32

Thanks again red and other contributors.

My head is quite dizzy from all the goings on.

Raab & Javid are coming across as very dim / naïve - they do realise they are going to be the fall guys don't they?

Camomila · 08/09/2019 14:35

Thanks Red

(Fonzie's are also my favourite Italian crisp brand, try some if you are ever there on holiday)

Hoooo · 08/09/2019 14:37

Pmk

Random18 · 08/09/2019 14:41

I am not surprised that Cummings has overruled Johnson.

It's been obvious right from the that he pulls the string and BJ is his puppet.

I really would 't be surprised if he holds something over him.

I am sure BJ has loads of skeletons in his closet.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/09/2019 14:41

Does Brexit spell the end for the Mother of Parliaments?

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-does-brexit-spell-the-end-for-the-mother-of-parliaments/

People who voted for Brexit (however ill-advised a referendum was;
however imprecise the question;
however hyperbolic the rhetoric may have been) believe they are entitled to have their vote respected.

The people who elected MPs to Parliament are equally entitled to have their representatives act in the national interest.

These two expectations are incompatible.
....
Thorny questions arise:

Does Parliament have a broad and general mandate to represent all the people of the land?

There is probably general agreement on this.

How can a government respect a referendum result and also account for the responsibilities of Parliament to the country?

If general responsibilities of a Parliament are to be superseded when some people express their views directly on certain questions from time to time,
what then is the point of Parliament?

“There is none,” populists and libertarians may joyfully answer.

prettybird · 08/09/2019 14:43

Conservative MP Andrew Griffiths, who sent sexual text messages to two barmaid cleared of wrongdoing by the parliamentary standards watchdog. "However damaging these events have been for Mr Griffiths personally, I am not persuaded that the texts he exchanged with the two women have caused significant damage to the reputation of the House of Commons as a whole, or of its Members generally."

....that would be because the reputation of the House of Commons as a whole and its members in particular is now so low that it can't fall any further Sad

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-49626762

BigChocFrenzy · 08/09/2019 14:44

The ECJ would not expel the UK, but would throw back that decision to the UK courts

Jean-Claude PIRIS@piris_jc

2/ To know if UK would still be an EU State if the PM violated applicable domestic/constit laws by not asking a prorogation of article 50 delay would not be an issue of EU law and for the EU Court of Just

but for British competent authorities including perhaps its Supreme Court

IrenetheQuaint · 08/09/2019 14:44

Thanks Red! Hard to imagine the EU falling for Cummings' games. The French will pretend to play tough but the Ireland factor means it is v unlikely an extension will be vetoed.

Alsohuman · 08/09/2019 14:45

Thank you, Red. These threads are (on the whole) a safe space of sanity.

DeRigueurMortis · 08/09/2019 14:47

PMK - thanks as ever to Red and all the other very informed posters on these threads.

Monst3ra · 08/09/2019 14:48

Thank you for these threads. They really do help me to fully understand wtf is going on at the moment.

This all feels like we're in the run up to something to huge and awful and there is no stopping it. I stumbled upon a pro JRM fb group and the pure hatred spouted on there is shocking- they actually want to see Remainer MPs 'hung high'. I'm in a couple of remain fb groups and there is no such language used there. Whether we end up leaving or not the divisions won't go away. No deal means the remainers and anti no-dealers will resent those who supported it, and if there is revocation or a softer Brexit there will be outrage from those who were after a 'clean break'. The debates won't stop, the anger will still be there.

chomalungma · 08/09/2019 14:50

What day do people think Parliament will be prorogued?

BigChocFrenzy · 08/09/2019 14:50

@red
Piris seems to be saying that BJ running out the time against UK law / court order would NOT automatically lead to Brexit

but that it would be a matter for the UK courts to decide

Haggisfish · 08/09/2019 14:51

Thanks for summary. It is so utterly depressing.