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Westminstenders: The Rule of Law

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RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 14:16

We enter week 2 of what might be considered 'the end game'.

The Conservative Party has made it clear that liberals are not welcome in their ranks. It has become the Brexit Party.

Farage is talking of a pact, though Javid has said no. What would Javid know though, he's only in the Cabinet.

Amber Rudd has resigned. She will run as an independent in an unnamed constituency at the next election. The assumption must therefore be she has been talking to a few people this week about this, though whether that means she is a 'One Nation Tory' independent candidate or simply an independent isn't clear.

Some think that her departure will deal Johnson yet another blow at the polls. Others think as the cabinet members with the worst satisfaction rating amongst tory party members this will be viewed positively by leavers and give Johnson a bounce in the polls.

It been reported that Cummings has overruled Johnson on at least key decisions this week which raises the question of who is in charge and running the show.

Cummings has promised to make us all melt in the coming weeks as he takes a sledge hammer to constitutional convention. He's advised no 10 staff to be 'cool like Fonzies'. A reference to pulp fiction and to happy days. As some have commented if you think about Cummings as some one who has watched too much Tarantino it does make him make a lot more sense.

There are suggestions that Johnson will break the rule of law in refusing to ask for an extension and the No10 have a trick up their sleeve over loopholes. The most obvious thing here being to offer the EU a deal they can't possibly refuse agree too to smear them and to then make it impossible for the EU to agree to an extension which noises out of France seem to suggest anyway.

Tomorrow is going to be interesting...

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TheABC · 08/09/2019 16:43

Given Johnson's track record so far, I don't trust him to still be Prime Minister by the end of Monday!

The lack of majority is a huge stumbling block and the prerogation will work against him now. I agree it's all games to Cummings, but it won't be to the Civil Service they need to use.

TokyoSushi · 08/09/2019 16:44

PMK missed a while thread due to Beavers Camp joy but back now and exhausted but ready for another crazy week!

Motheroffourdragons · 08/09/2019 16:46

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RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 16:46

Starmer is facing being purged atm.

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Apileofballyhoo · 08/09/2019 16:48

But what power do people have to change anything now, DGR?

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 08/09/2019 16:50

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ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 08/09/2019 16:53

That Oborne piece should be required viewing for everyone. He is not someone who could ever be dismissed as a bleeding heart liberal.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/09/2019 16:55

BREAKING - Momentum Camden meeting on Monday to discuss trigger ballots against Keir Starmer and Tulip Siddiq

Momentum want Remain, isnt this just standard re-selection that the MSM will frame differently?

Alsohuman · 08/09/2019 16:55

Looks like it. Or at least they’re not denying it.

mobile.twitter.com/Camden_Momentum/status/1170668688925757440

MockersthefeMANist · 08/09/2019 16:57

Momentum want mass-particiaption political onanism of bukkake proportions, same as ever.

Camomila · 08/09/2019 16:57

I really don't get momentums reasoning.

They see experienced moderate Torys get deselected and ordinary voters thinking it's dodgy...and think brilliant idea that's what we'll do.
Also, the country is in crisis, I'd want to keep as many experienced MPs in their posts as possible...not put up new/untried ones at an election.

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Alsohuman · 08/09/2019 17:00

My Tory MP is getting loads of stick on Twitter for not voting with the “rebels”.

Camomila · 08/09/2019 17:00

Tulip Siddiq ?! Angry delays her C-section to vote, and that's the thanks she gets.

DGRossetti · 08/09/2019 17:01

Cummings meanwhile has urged evryone to "be cool like Fonzies," which raises so many questions. "Happy Days" ceased production when DC was 12. Fonzie jumped the shark when he was six.

I noted 3 theads ago that comes from "Pulp Fiction ..."

JeSuisPoulet · 08/09/2019 17:03

I do think that the Labour party need to get a hold on Momentum. The publicity they get is so far "out there" - the banner on the bridge at the march about Socialism didn't sit well with me. I think their image is at stake here and wouldn't be amazed if Russia has managed to part fund it somehow.

on the basis that an attempt to legislate against the current extension legislation by using the CCA is an abuse.

Cummings and Gove used terrorism legislation to get through an education act.

I remember seeing Cummings mocking polls prior to the referendum and how he knew they were wrong. People thought he was mad. He wasn't. He has a detailed brain for data analysis and an odd grip on psychology (control/change words were key) yet he isn't able to think long term and I do think those words would be very well used against him now.

DGRossetti · 08/09/2019 17:04

Are Momentum a reaction to the Blair years ?

JeSuisPoulet · 08/09/2019 17:04

We do need to be very alert to the fact Cumming has no use for Common Law and will instead use the red tape in ANY institution to shove through what he wants to achieve.

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MockersthefeMANist · 08/09/2019 17:05

The point, I suppose, is that Tarantino is all style and no substance and completely unoriginal. Roeg did it all a quarter of a century earlier and better in Performance.

When your only cultural references are other people's cultural references, you are a vaccuous waste of space.

Alsohuman · 08/09/2019 17:05

Momentum is Jon Landsman’s brain child. I knew his wife, he’s gone a bit bonkers since she died.

HesterThrale · 08/09/2019 17:06

Born, Ballyhoo
This is old news now, but yesterday I got to Parliament Square/Downing St too late for either protest.

The rally was over, Remainers had largely left, and a LOT of riot police and horses had maybe 100 Brexiteers kettled round Churchill's statue. I'm not sure what had gone on before, but Whitehall at Downing St was blocked off. There was definitely alcohol going on with some of them, and some aggressive heckling.

The police were impressive in defusing the situation. For a long time there was a tense, eerie quiet; police were smiling and calm. Then if things got 'lively', they removed the 'loud' Brexiteers one at a time to talk to them and I suppose to assess whether to arrest them or allow them home. I though the police handled it well, and were patient and helpful with anxious passers-by. I don't know what happened in the end, but I believe there were some arrests.

I've been on many protests, but never seen any trouble before. I hope people won't be put off protesting. The whole operation must have cost a fortune. It's ironic that they were shouting for democracy; the Stop the Coup protestors were probably shouting the same.

I just thought, 'What are we doing to our country? How can we ever get past this? Are these the people Boris is trying to please?'

JeSuisPoulet · 08/09/2019 17:06

Re the 'dead in a ditch' hauntings - I thought this was from the Guppy tapes as in, "it's OK he won't be found dead in a ditch somewhere"...I have been too lazy to look at the transcript though so may well be mistaken.

BestIsWest · 08/09/2019 17:07

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TheMShip · 08/09/2019 17:07

I'm trying to clarify timelines here. In the current situation (granted that may all change in 30 seconds at the rate things are going):

9 Sept - Royal Assent for Benn extension bill, another GE vote under FTPA (which is almost certain not to pass)
9 - 12 Sept - prorogation starts (probably end of day 9th or 10th?)
14 Oct - Queen's Speech, normally followed by 6 days of debate
17 Oct - EUCO meeting
19 Oct - deadline for sending extension
23(?) Oct - vote on Queen's Speech, which is a confidence vote

My understanding is that the QS and its vote must come before any other legislation is introduced (as always happy to be corrected). If they have the usual 6 days of debate, that leaves only 5 working Parliament days before the current extension elapses. How does that interact with the various scenarios? How is there any time left to do anything if there's no new deal and BJ refuses to ask for an extension? Do the Rebel Alliance abstain on the QS vote, or vote against, risking bringing down the government without having an extension or another shot at the WA?

It looks difficult for BJ to recall Parliament from prorogation - I found this on the Institute for Government website: Parliament can only be recalled when prorogued in very limited circumstances. These include the death of the monarch, if reserve service personnel are called out on permanent service, or if certain powers in the Civil Contingencies’ Act 2004 are exercised. Parliament recently legislated to add to this list. The Northern Ireland (Executive Formation) Act requires Parliament to be recalled from prorogation in order to debate reports on progress made to restore the Northern Ireland executive. The planned prorogation in September and October is consistent with these requirements.