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Westminstenders: The Rule of Law

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RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 14:16

We enter week 2 of what might be considered 'the end game'.

The Conservative Party has made it clear that liberals are not welcome in their ranks. It has become the Brexit Party.

Farage is talking of a pact, though Javid has said no. What would Javid know though, he's only in the Cabinet.

Amber Rudd has resigned. She will run as an independent in an unnamed constituency at the next election. The assumption must therefore be she has been talking to a few people this week about this, though whether that means she is a 'One Nation Tory' independent candidate or simply an independent isn't clear.

Some think that her departure will deal Johnson yet another blow at the polls. Others think as the cabinet members with the worst satisfaction rating amongst tory party members this will be viewed positively by leavers and give Johnson a bounce in the polls.

It been reported that Cummings has overruled Johnson on at least key decisions this week which raises the question of who is in charge and running the show.

Cummings has promised to make us all melt in the coming weeks as he takes a sledge hammer to constitutional convention. He's advised no 10 staff to be 'cool like Fonzies'. A reference to pulp fiction and to happy days. As some have commented if you think about Cummings as some one who has watched too much Tarantino it does make him make a lot more sense.

There are suggestions that Johnson will break the rule of law in refusing to ask for an extension and the No10 have a trick up their sleeve over loopholes. The most obvious thing here being to offer the EU a deal they can't possibly refuse agree too to smear them and to then make it impossible for the EU to agree to an extension which noises out of France seem to suggest anyway.

Tomorrow is going to be interesting...

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yolofish · 08/09/2019 14:51

another vote of thanks to red and all you erudite posters. Reading and learning, while at the same time trying to hide my eyes...

Apileofballyhoo · 08/09/2019 14:52

Thanks Red.

This was posted already, wasn't it?

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/07/smash-and-grab-dominic-cummings-democracy

Just Ian Lucas's words struck at me.

“The people at the heart of Vote Leave who cheated and broke the law are now running the country. And no one is interested. I’m staggered that as an MP, I feel powerless about it, and you as a journalist have been shouting about it and nobody is interested, not even the BBC. Who never even covered this.”

Because I always wondered how the ordinary people in 1930s Germany felt. Powerless.

And then I think there must be some way.

QueenOfThorns · 08/09/2019 14:53

Thanks RTB

There are suggestions that Johnson will break the rule of law in refusing to ask for an extension and the No10 have a trick up their sleeve over loopholes. The most obvious thing here being to offer the EU a deal they can't possibly agree too to smear them and to then make it impossible for the EU to agree to an extension which noises out of France seem to suggest anyway.

That’s the most obvious thing, but I’m a bit concerned about the mention of the CCA at the end of the previous thread. Can’t they just declare an emergency and do whatever they want?

Also, if they just do what you suggest, doesn’t the Kinnock amendment mean that the WA has to be brought back?

SistemaAddict · 08/09/2019 14:53

I go out for 5 hours and miss most of a thread and it's not even a week day!

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 08/09/2019 14:55

I really wonder who is calling the shots.

DCummings is driving the Brexit agenda but for whom?

BJ is not particularly right wing (he is a mendacious self serving egomaniac but that doesn’t mean he is hard right).

Gove is lurking and I suspect biding his time to push both DC and BJ under the bus when the nasty stuff is done.

JRM seems to behave like this is a school or OxUnion debate with hyperbole and showing off.

DGRossetti · 08/09/2019 14:57

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DGRossetti · 08/09/2019 14:59

I stumbled upon a pro JRM fb group and the pure hatred spouted on there is shocking- they actually want to see Remainer MPs 'hung high'.

Such appalling grammar too. It should be "hanged high".

FMFL · 08/09/2019 15:02

PMK

prettybird · 08/09/2019 15:02

Took me ages to catch up on Friday having gone across to Edinburgh to watch Scotland play Georgia (we won Smile - but we need to play better in the World Cup Grin) and then again after a few hours "off" last night watching Strictly (a bit of light relief: I run a FB group called "Strictly BitchPod" where we have fun bitching I mean commenting constructively Wink, about WTFWTACBW [What The Fuck Will Tess And Claudia Be Wearing], the judges' comments, who the fuck the slebs are and how they danced. With a few 😜😜 from the male members about Otiiiiiii.)

These threads move nearly as fast as the BitchPod comments - but at least we're having fun on the BitchPod Wink as opposed to despairing on here Sad

BigChocFrenzy · 08/09/2019 15:03

I missed this last week - it has been kept quiet, imo

Crown Solicitor's advice is that No Deal is ILLEGAL under GFA

That's a surprise, quite different to much online opinion
It's probably not the border itself, but all the consequences for the agreed UK-Ireland cooperation

Great ammunition to Ireland - victims of illegal action by British govt
The EU weren't going to dump them anyway, but this would stiffen the resistance.
Maybe Irish American Caucus in US Congress will put more pressure on the UK

Lady Hermon (moderate Ind Unionist) got the BJ wiffle waffle in reply to her question about this

Katy Haywardd@hayward*_katy

“It is reported that the Crown Solicitor’s Office has advised the govt that a #NoDealal^ #Brexitit^ would be in contravention of the 1998 Agmt.

"Hermon calls on PM "to publish today in full -& he owes it to the people of NI & to the House- any legal advice he has received" on this.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/09/2019 15:04

If that legal advice has been published, I haven't seen it

BigChocFrenzy · 08/09/2019 15:07

The professional advice from a govt legal officer is v more meaningful than just Remainers claiming that

DGRossetti · 08/09/2019 15:09

Crown Solicitor's advice is that No Deal is ILLEGAL under GFA

That was mooted ages ago, and shot down by Theresa May.

The real question is what makes it illegal ? UK domestic law, or the fact that the GFA is an international treaty, and so has other countries interpretations to deal with ?

Domestically, the UK parliament can repeal gravity, if it wants. But whether the universe will take notice is another matter.

chomalungma · 08/09/2019 15:11

BBC report

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49571856

Boris Johnson says he has not seen any advice. Maybe no one has showed him and he's not asked to see it.

(A very Yes Prime Minister response)

Hasenstein · 08/09/2019 15:12

PMK with thanks to RTB, BCF and all the rest of you for yet another (now almost daily) lifeline of sanity and information.

ListeningQuietly · 08/09/2019 15:13

The clock is running down and I see no pleasant options.

Time to carry on preparing fruit for freezing.

NotaRealLawyer · 08/09/2019 15:19

Thanks again RTB, BCF and all.
Johnson is in Dublin tomorrow for talks I see.

noblegiraffe · 08/09/2019 15:19

A warning from Education. Remember Cummings ran a wrecking ball through the schools system and is using the same tactics here:
twitter.com/miss_mcinerney/status/1170628978375364609?s=21

“Every move of the Johnson Government has been a carbon copy of what we saw in education. Not a single bit of it has been a surprise. And it works. Anyone laughing & thinking the project is collapsing needs to be careful. Chaos does not equal losing.

Gove & Cummings learned long along that running at things with a sledgehammer means that by the time justice catches up with you, it’s too late. If you aim to break things (in this case, our EU relationship) then all that matters is that it gets broken. Everything else is detail.“

KennDodd · 08/09/2019 15:20

Does anyone keep track of all these threads? Do they just get deleted from MN or is anyone storing them somewhere?

ListeningQuietly · 08/09/2019 15:21

ken
They are all still on this board - look back through the pages

prettybird · 08/09/2019 15:23

They're all there on MN, in the Brexit topic. There are only a few specific thread topics that get deleted after a set time: used to be _Chat after 90 days (but not any more), the 30 days Days only topic and I think OTBT.

Unless of course, MNHQ thinks a specific thread is against MN principles, in which case it gets deleted forthwith.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 08/09/2019 15:25

HoL research briefing on CCA and Brexit
researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/LLN-2019-0034

Note - emergency regs not approved by Parliament lapse in 7 days not 30

NotaRealLawyer · 08/09/2019 15:26

sluggerotoole.com/2019/09/08/is-the-backstop-beginning-to-slide-towards-a-deal-the-dup-wont-like/

"On the eve of Boris Johnson’s visit to Dublin it comes as no surprise that Sinn Fein claims that Leo Varadkar has conceded the backstop “at the eleventh hour.” Deniable though it may be, do they yet make a plausible case, as the squeeze tightens on Dublin to try to reconcile the defence of the single market with the serious threat to jobs and the all-island economy? Does Vardakar’s concession on the one hand that checks will be phased in “over time” and yet may take place “close to the border” give him the worst of both worlds, as well has handing Boris Johnson a vital get out of jail card in producing a Deal after all?" continues...

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 08/09/2019 15:28

Also under CCA a prorogued Parliament has to be recalled within 5 days.

GeistohneGrenzen · 08/09/2019 15:29

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