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Westministenders: Is Boris going to give us one ?

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BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2019 09:50

A General Election that is

Well, only when Corbyn lets him, not when BJ wants it.
So far as PM, BJ has lost 4 votes to zero wins - which is a record

BJ has been spraying around promises of billions in spending,
like a tomcat drunk on catnip, spraying the Magic Money Tree

SPADs have been forbidden to take holiday before 31 October
and of course that coup / prorogue to force No Deal and wank off the authoritarian vote

The prorogue also robs him of 5 more weeks time in which he could have forced a GE.
Whoops

BJ / Cum would ideally want a GE right after Brexit
to have achieved their No Deal, maximise their votes from the Faragist
.... all before the No Deal chickens come home to roost

Of course, as PM, BJ - or is Cummings the real PM ? - could change any pre-Brexit date that the naive think they have agreed

The Rebel Alliance have options to stop him:

BJ has sacked 21 MPs, so if the Alliance unite, they outnumber Con+DUP
Another Whoops
However, they have different aims and find it difficult to compromise
Some might prefer No Deal rather than the bogeyman Corbyn, because they don't do compromise

They could use a VoNC to replace BJ by Corbyn,
who would then ask for an extension and call a GE before Brexit
Stopping No Deal that way depends on Corbyn winning the GE - a HUGE gamble

Maybe he can use the slogan
"Brexit is the Tory project to make you forget the other Tory project: Austerity"

while to appeal to some pp, the Tories can use
"Vote to protect the bonuses of rich bankers"

Or if nothing happens by 19 October, MPs can vote for the WA, which would definitely stop No Deal
But that would require the HoC to make a decision - and it has spent several months avoiding that

Tick tock, No Deal is coming

Meanwhile, talks are ongoing for a Tory-Brexit party pact.
Reportedly, the hedge-fund donors won't fund a Tory GE campaign unless there is a pact:

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-election-pact-between-johnson-and-farage-edges-closer/

How much money does it take to buy the UK governing party ? 🤔

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flouncyfanny · 08/09/2019 09:41

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JeSuisPoulet · 08/09/2019 09:42

Re rental profit - I think Labour need to look closely at how much different types of homes need for upkeep. I know 2 landlords. One has a property left by parents which is Victorian and the other x2 ex Council houses. The one with the x2 ex CH is laughing, he has no repairs to do, slaps on paint now and then and rents each room out to students so makes £800 a month from each student pm in two 4 bed houses. My other friend rents the entire house out to a family for £900. She has had to pay £15k on keeping sash windows repaired and re-plumbing and updating a bathroom recently cost another 10k. If most people were to pick which house they wanted to live in it would be the latter but keeping older houses up to spec (in my opinion much nicer than his 2) is expensive and means rental isn't always profitable. Labour need to be careful as many people, like my friend are keeping this house Victorian for their children's inheritance rather than turning a huge monthly profit.

Basilpots · 08/09/2019 09:42

Javid and Marr going round and round in circles

Were they on here yesterday.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 08/09/2019 09:42

I don't see the loop hole. Subsection 3 says that on Oct 19th subsection 4 must be complied with.

Halfeatentoast · 08/09/2019 09:42

Oh fuck

OhYouBadBadKitten · 08/09/2019 09:43

I'm pretty sure there won't be loopholes found in the text. It's been written very clearly.

Motheroffourdragons · 08/09/2019 09:43

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Peregrina · 08/09/2019 09:44

I don't see the loop hole. Subsection 3 says that on Oct 19th subsection 4 must be complied with.

If we do see loopholes, report it to someone like your MP, so that they can be plugged.

Singasonga · 08/09/2019 09:44

I don't believe The Saj is in the decision making loop, no. I think he was elevated to the Home Office for the optics of having a brown man tackling the grooming gangs and Windrush scandals (pure identity politics criticism deflection), and while he was there proved himself to be sufficiently loyal to step into the Treasury when Spreadsheet Phil was expelled.

He is useful to them at the moment, but I don't believe he's ever been a true believer. Priti Patel is more likely to be on top of what's happening as she's part of the clique, and her complete lack of anything like senior political experience will only make her more useful to the likes of Cummings.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 08/09/2019 09:44

I mean by us.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/09/2019 09:47

Lonely I think youre definately right there, maybe give those who are living in ex-right to buys a chance to buy their property for their rent over x-years

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NotaRealLawyer · 08/09/2019 09:49

I can't see a loophole.

frumpety · 08/09/2019 09:50

Had a conversation with DH about something completely unrelated to Brexit yesterday. He said that some people believe the first bit of information they are told and that will remain their viewpoint, regardless of any updates in facts, for a very long time. That viewpoint becomes entrenched. Fear is the initial motivating factor of the viewpoint, othering is essential to maintaining it. We were discussing a health crisis that started in the late 70's /early 80's. When you look at the campaign of the government at that time and the campaign run by Leave, there are some interesting parallels. What is depressing is the length of time it has taken for people to absorb and accept facts, almost 40 years later.

borntobequiet · 08/09/2019 09:51

Maybe the loophole is simply breaking the law with impunity, which seems to be the regular way of proceeding since 2016, here and in the USA.

Basilpots · 08/09/2019 09:51

@flouncyfanny sorry I wasn’t clearer.

JeSuisPoulet · 08/09/2019 09:51

Just most of the landlords here, university town, are renting to students at huge profit. Communities have been hollowed out and students feel ripped off and rarely know their rental rights. Ex-CH aren't being rented to families but split up and rented to students and low paid workers. That is what I think needs to be challenged, but conversely it keeps people off the streets. Maybe a cap on how much rent each room can make as a bedroom?

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 08/09/2019 09:52

There isn’t a loophole, it was a misreading of the text. However, it is valid to scrutinise the Benn Bill closely because BJ’s team will be doing so.

wheresmymojo · 08/09/2019 09:54

Okay - so there isn't a loophole in the Benn legislation as far as I can see

BUT...

BJ could use the Civil Contingencies Act to call a state of emergency in respect to the risk of a No Deal Brexit and then take over?

So the argument would be that no satisfactory deal has been reached - so we are on track for a No Deal Brexit at some point, either now or in January and this is an emergency?

frumpety · 08/09/2019 09:54

Are there really enough people out there willing to vote for a far right machine that has nobody's interests at heart?

If they believe that the far right machine isn't far right (or have no issue with far rightness )and absolutely has their interests at heart, then I'm afraid yes would be my answer Mother

Driedlimes · 08/09/2019 09:56

McDonnell seemed capable & reasonable on Marr. The right to buy issue will be played up by right wing press but he was clear that sale price should reflect market value. You'd also expect legislation to carve out situations where landlord or family wishes to redevelop or occupy themselves.

In any event he was clear that it was consultation only.

From recollection pre 1980s legislation gave tenants proper security of tenure ( as in continental Europe) subject to similar carve outs.

I wouldn't have an issue with the proposal provided it's only available to long term tenants/landlords get market value ( they can re-invest)/carve outs for family occupation.

NoWordForFluffy · 08/09/2019 09:56

Breaking the law isn't a loophole though. A loophole allows a breach of the intended consequence because of poor drafting. They've even gone so far as to draft the letter for him; it's well-drafted (and doesn't allow him to ask but scupper in the same letter!).

I imagine many, many hours were spent drafting it, where they war-gamed all ways it could be breached and drafted accordingly.

It's way better than most legislation, which is, in general, VERY poorly-drafted!

wheresmymojo · 08/09/2019 09:56

A minister of the crown can specify any event as falling within the definition of an emergency so that works in their favour.

JeSuisPoulet · 08/09/2019 09:57

I think we have 2 options - BlowJobCum crawls back to WA as his "only option" or he breaks the law. He may not want to do this but he isn't in control any more and Cum might be the dominant factor. The BJ was ever only the sweetner Wink

Driedlimes · 08/09/2019 09:58

And I am no JC fan & definitely not part of their natural constituency!

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