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Westministenders: Is Boris going to give us one ?

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BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2019 09:50

A General Election that is

Well, only when Corbyn lets him, not when BJ wants it.
So far as PM, BJ has lost 4 votes to zero wins - which is a record

BJ has been spraying around promises of billions in spending,
like a tomcat drunk on catnip, spraying the Magic Money Tree

SPADs have been forbidden to take holiday before 31 October
and of course that coup / prorogue to force No Deal and wank off the authoritarian vote

The prorogue also robs him of 5 more weeks time in which he could have forced a GE.
Whoops

BJ / Cum would ideally want a GE right after Brexit
to have achieved their No Deal, maximise their votes from the Faragist
.... all before the No Deal chickens come home to roost

Of course, as PM, BJ - or is Cummings the real PM ? - could change any pre-Brexit date that the naive think they have agreed

The Rebel Alliance have options to stop him:

BJ has sacked 21 MPs, so if the Alliance unite, they outnumber Con+DUP
Another Whoops
However, they have different aims and find it difficult to compromise
Some might prefer No Deal rather than the bogeyman Corbyn, because they don't do compromise

They could use a VoNC to replace BJ by Corbyn,
who would then ask for an extension and call a GE before Brexit
Stopping No Deal that way depends on Corbyn winning the GE - a HUGE gamble

Maybe he can use the slogan
"Brexit is the Tory project to make you forget the other Tory project: Austerity"

while to appeal to some pp, the Tories can use
"Vote to protect the bonuses of rich bankers"

Or if nothing happens by 19 October, MPs can vote for the WA, which would definitely stop No Deal
But that would require the HoC to make a decision - and it has spent several months avoiding that

Tick tock, No Deal is coming

Meanwhile, talks are ongoing for a Tory-Brexit party pact.
Reportedly, the hedge-fund donors won't fund a Tory GE campaign unless there is a pact:

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-election-pact-between-johnson-and-farage-edges-closer/

How much money does it take to buy the UK governing party ? 🤔

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/09/2019 08:54

Gary Bainbridge
@Gary_Bainbridge
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I hope she joins Caroline Lucas's party so that on the ballot paper she'd be "Rudd, Amber (Green)". Send tweet.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/09/2019 08:56

Oh God can you imagine a BXP government Roger Helmer - Womens Equality Minister Envy

BigChocFrenzy · 08/09/2019 08:56

Squid That's terrifying and disgraceful., so stressful for you all - and the patients
In a modern industriialised country

In the one where I live, Germany, there is sufficient staff, sensible working hours, modern equipment, well-maintained buildings
I get same day GP appt and to monitor my eyes, I chose which specialist practice I wanted - I chose one advertised as "conservative"

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RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 08:57

Beth Rigby@bethrigby
Raab on #Ridge. Been “rough week” but PM is “sticking to his guns”.

And govt line on Rudd: “She took the cabinet role, everyone was asked if they’d support PM's plan to leave at the end of Oct come what may?"

Raab on #ridge
- Not backing down on the removal of the whip.This was a confidence issue & that is the choice they made
- Disagrees with Rudd’s assessment that BJ not serious about a deal. Says G7 summit showed EU were “willing in principle to to do a deal” 2/

Raab on #ridge
- On the extension Govt will abide by law but "test to the limit" what the legislation to force a Brexit delay "does and does not require"
- Won’t be drawn on whether BJ willing to fight thru courts
- frames it as BJ trying to get in & being blocked by Corbyn

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 08:58

Beth Rigby@bethrigby
Rudd: I don’t think the cabinet is having proper discussions on policy” > suggests that govt is being run by advisors not by ministers.

Raab on #ridge few minutes earlier: “advisors advise, ministers decide”

Who sacked Javid's advisor?

BigChocFrenzy · 08/09/2019 09:00

^ "EU were “willing in principle to to do a deal”^

Yes, if the UK accepts the WA in full, with only cosmetic changes

Everyone - except some Leave voters - know that Alternative Arrangements mean some sort of goods border and / or a partial Irexit

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Basilpots · 08/09/2019 09:02

In which Ken Clarke says he fears no deal more than Corbyn government

This is me x1000.

There is a survey done by Uk and Eu asking about leavers v remainers reactions to a no deal Brexit. Both agreed it would be bad but leavers felt it would be ‘a little bit bad’ remainers felt it would be very bad.

twitter.com/dralanwager/status/1169908593778294784?s=21

It up to the individual to decide whether this is worse or better than a Corbyn Government.

Halfeatentoast · 08/09/2019 09:03

Anyone who watched the Rise of the Nazis should be extremely worried, Johnson is playing the part of Hindenburg to perfection....

Oh Christ i thought this when i saw it. The laughable thing being that he seemed to want to be like Churchill. Or maybe that's just what he pretended to lull us (me) into a false sense of security.

I keep telling DH how worried i am about all this. Pointing out a while ago how precarious peace and civilisation is and how we are governed on gentleman's agreement....And that there are now very few "gentlemen" left. He keeps saying it will be fine and he doesn't believe it until he sees it - a "it'll never happen here" attitude. I keep pointing out that nobody believes THEIR country and government of capable of damaging their own country and countrymen. And yet....

Hoooo · 08/09/2019 09:04

Morning.

flouncyfanny · 08/09/2019 09:06

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Basilpots · 08/09/2019 09:09

WTF
Cummings overruling BJ ?shock
3 times shock

What was that about unelected bureaucrats again ???

Oh it’s ok if they are doing something you want.

And if one day they do something you don want and can get away with because the precedent has been set ?

Had this conversation this morning with my Brexit supporting neighbour.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/09/2019 09:09

Analysts I respect are still looking at CON alone for the GE, not CON+BXP in whatever form

I fear some have not caught up to the political realignment and the rightwing takeover of the Tory Party
.... or am I being too pessimistic

imo BXP pact would easily compensate for the small % of Tories who wouldn't vote for them to keep out Corbyn

Also, voting LDem to salve their conscience is in a CON / LAB marginal only has half the possible effect of voting LAB
(it reduces CON by 1, but does not increase LAB)

Lewis Goodall@lewisgoodall

Tory remainers were a thing in 2016.
They were a thing in 2017.

They need to be a thing in 2019; or realignment or not, there will be no Tory majority.

That’s why the resignation of Amber Rudd and the expulsion of the Tory 21 is a problem.

< even a hung Parliament would be without most Tory rebels, so would struggle to block No Deal even as much as the correct one >

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Basilpots · 08/09/2019 09:12

Heaven help us on who they would have for Ministers of each department shock The whole thing is so short sighted by Leave voters sad

This.

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 09:12

Cheery thread here

David Henig @davidheniguk
Madness is spreading widely through our politics and I fear we are too close to see it.

The view in other countries is rather clearer - see for example
www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/opinion/editorials/article-how-bad-is-boris-johnson-we-cant-even-find-the-words/?__twitter_impression=true
How bad is Boris Johnson? We can’t even find the words

We need to stop the madness before we can hope to resolve remain v leave properly... 1/

Westministenders: Is Boris  going to give us one ?
Myriade · 08/09/2019 09:13

Anyone seen the Sun article about BJ? (Sorry can’t link on phone)
BORIS JOHNSON PLOTS TO PARALYSE EU DECISION-MAKING IN BID TO BREAK BREXIT DEADLOCK

THAT isn’t surprising for me but also terrifying. Again using a democratic system against itself.

I’m getting more and more scared.
And the uk isn’t going to get over that soon either. No way that other countries are going to trust the uk again soon if he behaves that way. Not the EU but bothers either.

wheresmymojo · 08/09/2019 09:13

Rudd on Andrew Marr right now saying that 80-90% of the work is on no deal but she believes Boris IS trying to get a deal

My reading of this is that she said Boris would like a deal but in reality isn't putting in anywhere near the work required to get a deal.

A few people have said they actually think Boris would like a deal.

I think he'd like a Deal but they realise it's not really possible to get one that would satisfy Leavers...so they're just playing around at the edges.

wheresmymojo · 08/09/2019 09:15

Labour - right to buy for private tenants.

^ This is the kind of thing that put me off the Labour Party. The end of private property ownership Confused

mummmy2017 · 08/09/2019 09:16

Or Boris thinks like this.
Your promised something.
You vote for it.
You Elect a govenment to do it.
You put in the paperwork to do it.
You vote someone else in who promises to do it.
So you bloody do it.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/09/2019 09:16

Dr Therese Coffey is now Work and Pensions

Basilpots · 08/09/2019 09:16

Shall we remind ourselves who the BXP spokesperson for farming and agriculture is. Rupert Lowe.

He is converting his farm to a multi million pound stud farm.

He oversaw the demise of Southampton Football club.

He’s standing for Dudley North.

flouncyfanny · 08/09/2019 09:19

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prettybird · 08/09/2019 09:20

I'm going to try to channel my dad's trust in the electorate at least, those that bother voting Wink that they're not as easily manipulated as I fear Wink

After all, my parents were right after the 1992 election when I said that Middle England would never vote Labour (because if they wouldn't after years of Thatcherism they never would Sad) and that we were stuck with Conservative governments for eternity a long time. They were more hopeful - especially after seeing what was possible in South Africa (Mandela had been released and proper elections were on the horizon Smile).

They were right. I was wrong Grin

OublietteBravo · 08/09/2019 09:21

Good morning. I wonder what today will bring.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/09/2019 09:22

Labour - right to buy for private tenants.

Something has to change though mojo (I'm not saying I'd support that) but we do have to stop a basic human right being commodified to the detriment of peoples finances in a disproportionate way, how are Landlords going to feel with rent caps in place? Maybe if those landlords think that they want out of the 'business' maybe selling the house to the tenant in a 'loan' type of way might help?

Does any of that make sense? I hope so

Basilpots · 08/09/2019 09:23

*Labour - right to buy for private tenants.

^ This is the kind of thing that put me off the Labour Party. The end of private property ownership confused*

This was debunked two threads ago I think.

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