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Westministenders: Is Boris going to give us one ?

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BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2019 09:50

A General Election that is

Well, only when Corbyn lets him, not when BJ wants it.
So far as PM, BJ has lost 4 votes to zero wins - which is a record

BJ has been spraying around promises of billions in spending,
like a tomcat drunk on catnip, spraying the Magic Money Tree

SPADs have been forbidden to take holiday before 31 October
and of course that coup / prorogue to force No Deal and wank off the authoritarian vote

The prorogue also robs him of 5 more weeks time in which he could have forced a GE.
Whoops

BJ / Cum would ideally want a GE right after Brexit
to have achieved their No Deal, maximise their votes from the Faragist
.... all before the No Deal chickens come home to roost

Of course, as PM, BJ - or is Cummings the real PM ? - could change any pre-Brexit date that the naive think they have agreed

The Rebel Alliance have options to stop him:

BJ has sacked 21 MPs, so if the Alliance unite, they outnumber Con+DUP
Another Whoops
However, they have different aims and find it difficult to compromise
Some might prefer No Deal rather than the bogeyman Corbyn, because they don't do compromise

They could use a VoNC to replace BJ by Corbyn,
who would then ask for an extension and call a GE before Brexit
Stopping No Deal that way depends on Corbyn winning the GE - a HUGE gamble

Maybe he can use the slogan
"Brexit is the Tory project to make you forget the other Tory project: Austerity"

while to appeal to some pp, the Tories can use
"Vote to protect the bonuses of rich bankers"

Or if nothing happens by 19 October, MPs can vote for the WA, which would definitely stop No Deal
But that would require the HoC to make a decision - and it has spent several months avoiding that

Tick tock, No Deal is coming

Meanwhile, talks are ongoing for a Tory-Brexit party pact.
Reportedly, the hedge-fund donors won't fund a Tory GE campaign unless there is a pact:

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-election-pact-between-johnson-and-farage-edges-closer/

How much money does it take to buy the UK governing party ? 🤔

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flouncyfanny · 08/09/2019 08:15

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wheresmymojo · 08/09/2019 08:19

Plus that hard authoritarian side of things, well, it's dominated by older voters and in some ways simply standing still is winning, because they will die.

Agreed but not for another 20 or so years. Which is way more of my life than I'd like to spend under an authoritarian Govt.

I think the UK population is further right than the Canadian population. No stats to back this up, just my gut feel knowing Canada reasonably well.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/09/2019 08:20

Bercow is already flouting convention by serving too long so I think Leadsom's decision can be justified.

What convention is that please?

Edward FitzRoy served as speaker from 1928 - 1943

JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/09/2019 08:22

3. Former very strong PMs from moderate side of left of centre party (Liberal / Labour) now discredited: Jean Cretien / Tony Blair

Im sure taking us into an illegal war is what discredited Blair Hmm

Basilpots · 08/09/2019 08:23

I'm in the pink! So that's Brexit Party and Peoples Vote that want my vote grin

I’m blue but really aware that being able to pick out my constituency by its shape alone is not something I could ever do before this shit show started Hmm

It’s a new skill.....

JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/09/2019 08:24

What I dont understand about ploppers is they think no one has access to google

mathanxiety · 08/09/2019 08:26

Could Bercow switch party and run against Leadsom's flying monkey?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/09/2019 08:27

if we get an ERG speaker and a Tory government I'll want off this planet

TheMShip · 08/09/2019 08:30

Im sure taking us into an illegal war is what discredited Blair

Yes, and Cretien was involved in misuse of public funds (sponsorship scandal). Not the same thing, but similar political effect.

I think the UK population is further right than the Canadian population. No stats to back this up, just my gut feel knowing Canada reasonably well.

Probably depends on where in Canada to some extent. My family and therefore my experience are from the West coast, which is a weird mix of socialist and redneck politics.

Cwenthryth · 08/09/2019 08:33

Morning!

Extended Andrew Marr show starting now - Amber Rudd is on.

wheresmymojo · 08/09/2019 08:33

Just came across this article which provides some facts around Blukip takeover.

Half of the Tory membership that supported BJ had only become members after the 2016 referendum...and consequently BJ's supporters were much more right wing than Gove & Hunts.

theconversation.com/amp/boris-johnson-supporters-want-no-deal-brexit-and-less-talk-of-climate-change-new-survey-of-party-members-reveals-118633

As it happens I don't think BJ is as right wing as his supporters. Apart from his authoritarian stance on Brexit I would say he's not particularly right wing. So he may end up creating a party that is significantly right of himself. Interesting to see if that then bites him on the arse at some point.

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 08:33

Helene von Bismarck @helenebismarck
I don’t think Johnson intends to break the law. He intends to run as a candidate who would be prepared to break the law to defend “the will of the people”. This may well be his platform for the next election.

Let that sink in.

^This

We are talking a authoritarian manifesto which spells out the word d-i-c-t-a-t-o-r pretty well.

wheresmymojo · 08/09/2019 08:34

@Cwenthryth Thanks for the reminder - just switching on!

Basilpots · 08/09/2019 08:34

What I dont understand about ploppers is they think no one has access to google

But if one bit of nonsense sticks like ‘we are a service economy so no deal will just effect goods’ that’s great for them.

Which starts arguments.

Plus if they can clog up the thread with loads of bickering people stop reading and stops people posting more reasonable stuff.

It’s only going to get worse. They won’t be happy until this thread and particularly Red goes away.

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 08:35

Joshua Rozenberg @JoshuaRozenberg
I am mystified by this report in the @thesundaytimes. Surely Cummings knows that the @UKSupremeCourt hears appeals from lower courts? It does not grant orders in response to first-instance applications. The High Court can move extremely quickly. Its orders stand until overturned.

Westministenders: Is Boris  going to give us one ?
JustAnotherPoster00 · 08/09/2019 08:37

It’s only going to get worse. They won’t be happy until this thread and particularly Red goes away.

This, and if I dont say it often enough Red and BCF thanks for all you do on these threads

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 08:40

Ian Birrel @ianbirrel
Astonishing revelation by @DPJHodges that Cummings over-ruled the PM on three key decisions last week.

This proves he really is the puppet master

Westministenders: Is Boris  going to give us one ?
RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 08:41

Re Rudd resignation

George Freeman MP @georgefreeman
Another massive blow to the new Government - and to the confidence of all of us not privy to Cabinet papers or discussions, who look to Colleagues in Cabinet for reassurance that there is a serious ambition to get a Withdrawal deal. A long day of calls & conversations ahead.

squid4 · 08/09/2019 08:44

Thanks for welcome guys. We are bloody knackered and there are no doctors and nurses left. Every shift is a horrible patchwork game of shuffling knackered broken staff to cover endless holes while the ambulances queue outside. I have horror stories that my non-medical friends gape at me when I tell. It is unbelievable to me that tories could get a majority after what they have done to this country this past decade, it's just hard to wrap your head around.

I have a great local labour MP, but I've taken to reading the news between night shifts and having panic attacks.

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 08:44

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/07/ken-clarke-interview-andrew-rawnsley-lost-tory-whip?__twitter_impression=true
Ken Clarke: ‘I’m not sure yet, but I may protest and vote Lib Dem’
Last week the veteran Conservative MP was stripped of the party whip. Here he discusses his plans for the future

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2019 08:45

In which Ken Clarke says he fears no deal more than Corbyn government

Hoooo · 08/09/2019 08:47

squid thank you for all you do for people like my mum xxx

SistemaAddict · 08/09/2019 08:50

Rudd on Andrew Marr right now saying that 80-90% of the work is on no deal but she believes Boris IS trying to get a deal Confused

BigChocFrenzy · 08/09/2019 08:52

WTF
Cummings overruling BJ ?Shock
3 times Shock

We used to criticise Timothy & Hill's unhealthy influence over May, but afaik she never let them overrule her

BJ has few if any genuine beliefs, so he is a blank hand-puppet for Cum

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JeSuisPoulet · 08/09/2019 08:54

Still catching up from last night.
Am also wondering whether LD's are deliberately burying Tory defections to their party. Yes they are Tory moderates but LD have worked hard to confirm they are not Tory-lite.

Also my proud No Dealer would cream his pants if they thought his idol Farage was 'taking over' the Tories. I suggest using caution around that phrase as it puts them in charge over the party which enables BXP voters to vote for them without the "but you vote Tory!" calls they so don't want to hear.

Heaven help us on who they would have for Ministers of each department Shock The whole thing is so short sighted by Leave voters Sad

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