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Westministenders: Is Boris going to give us one ?

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BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2019 09:50

A General Election that is

Well, only when Corbyn lets him, not when BJ wants it.
So far as PM, BJ has lost 4 votes to zero wins - which is a record

BJ has been spraying around promises of billions in spending,
like a tomcat drunk on catnip, spraying the Magic Money Tree

SPADs have been forbidden to take holiday before 31 October
and of course that coup / prorogue to force No Deal and wank off the authoritarian vote

The prorogue also robs him of 5 more weeks time in which he could have forced a GE.
Whoops

BJ / Cum would ideally want a GE right after Brexit
to have achieved their No Deal, maximise their votes from the Faragist
.... all before the No Deal chickens come home to roost

Of course, as PM, BJ - or is Cummings the real PM ? - could change any pre-Brexit date that the naive think they have agreed

The Rebel Alliance have options to stop him:

BJ has sacked 21 MPs, so if the Alliance unite, they outnumber Con+DUP
Another Whoops
However, they have different aims and find it difficult to compromise
Some might prefer No Deal rather than the bogeyman Corbyn, because they don't do compromise

They could use a VoNC to replace BJ by Corbyn,
who would then ask for an extension and call a GE before Brexit
Stopping No Deal that way depends on Corbyn winning the GE - a HUGE gamble

Maybe he can use the slogan
"Brexit is the Tory project to make you forget the other Tory project: Austerity"

while to appeal to some pp, the Tories can use
"Vote to protect the bonuses of rich bankers"

Or if nothing happens by 19 October, MPs can vote for the WA, which would definitely stop No Deal
But that would require the HoC to make a decision - and it has spent several months avoiding that

Tick tock, No Deal is coming

Meanwhile, talks are ongoing for a Tory-Brexit party pact.
Reportedly, the hedge-fund donors won't fund a Tory GE campaign unless there is a pact:

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-election-pact-between-johnson-and-farage-edges-closer/

How much money does it take to buy the UK governing party ? 🤔

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flouncyfanny · 07/09/2019 22:40

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TheMShip · 07/09/2019 22:41

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ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 07/09/2019 22:42

The Monarch technically gives RA but in practice the power is exercised on their behalf. So in theory a monarch could block a bill but doing so would undermine the status of the Constitutional Monarchy. It would be a sovereign asserting authority over an elected parliament which takes us back to Charles I (and look how that ended).

The only issue is when RA is given as there is no specified time period. The timing is a matter for parliament not HMQ.

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BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2019 22:43

red Noone in Germany seems worried so far
No air raid sirens
(we still have emergency sirens checks every few months)^

Irish not impressed either by the show so far:

Fintan O'Toolee@fotoole*

British politics this week like the mad scenes in King Lear

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/british-politics-this-week-like-the-mad-scenes-in-king-lear-1.4010247?
@IrishTimesOpEd

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PestyMachtubernahme · 07/09/2019 22:45

FLOUNCY If the EU kicks us out...
WTF we signed art 50 saying we were leaving

TheMShip · 07/09/2019 22:46

in practice the power is exercised on their behalf

By whom?

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 07/09/2019 22:46

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Sostenueto · 07/09/2019 22:47

I now know wotz up with Boris the animal. The unicorns are massing.....'.infamy infamy, they have all got it in for me! ' BJ cries!

BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2019 22:47

"If the EU kick us out then there's no divorce payment? guessing?2

Refusing yet another extension won't remove the exit bill
The EU would go to the International Court of Justice in the Hague to get it back
... if the UK doesn't cave in pretty quickly to everything anyway after No Deal

However, they almost certainly wouldn't refuse, despite BJ's blustering
They want to make sure that if there is No Deal, then the UK govt is seen by the world as having chosen it

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Basilpots · 07/09/2019 22:48

Does anybody wonder if Labour voter Brexit supporters would refrain from voting for the BP if there's a pact with the Tories?

I was wondering this ‘vote BXP get Tory’ would have some resonance with some Labour voters who have been sitting on there hands and not voting recently ?

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BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2019 22:50

re what happened around Westminster earlier

Helena Wilkinson@BBCHelena

There’ve been violent clashes in Parliament Square in Westminster between a group of pro-leave protestors and the police.

Some of the protestors were seen throwing a metal barricade at the police and others were trying to break the police cordon.

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PestyMachtubernahme · 07/09/2019 22:50

In practice the power is exercised on their behalf
by whom?

A secretary, You know queenie has staff

DadDadDad · 07/09/2019 22:51

The power to declare Royal Assent is exercised by the Lord Commissioners - which Wikipedia suggests is one of these guys.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lords_Commissioners

So, basically, I think the Lord Speaker or Lord High Chancellor (in the House of Lords) signs a bit of paper, or just announces it.

Cwenthryth · 07/09/2019 22:51

Given that LibDem “LGBT” figures resigned over Philip Lee, are Lib Dem members really going to be happy about Angela ‘Funny Tinge’ Smith joining their ranks? Or we’re so desperate over Brexit we’ll overlook overt racism?

lljkk · 07/09/2019 22:52

I agree BJ is amassing.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 07/09/2019 22:52

TheMShip
From memory either Lords Commissioners or its done through Letters Patent i.e. someone gives the Queen a list of bills and she signs a cover page approving the whole list.

Technically the Queen could refuse the Bill but that hasn’t happened for over 300 years.

BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2019 22:54

Far right Leavers call Soubry a "Nazi" Confused
I don't agree with her decisions sometimes, but I have always respected her courage

Helena Wilkinson@BBCHelena

Dozens of officers on foot and mounted police have been trying to restore calm.

At one point officers raised their batons as the group of protestors tried to break through the barriers.

Earlier the MP Anna Soubry was due to speak at a “Defend our Democracy” demonstration in Parliament Square.

She told me when she arrived she was spotted by a group of people from a counter protest who began chanting “Soubry is a Nazi”.

The Independent MP for Change UK said the atmosphere became increasingly unpleasant and she left for her own safety.

She said she felt “hugely saddened” as an MP that she couldn’t speak opposite Parliament.

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Sostenueto · 07/09/2019 22:55

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TheMShip · 07/09/2019 22:56

Thanks for the info about the Lords Commissioners Chaz and Dad3. I was worrying that it might be someone BJ controlled.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 07/09/2019 22:58

I just saw the news about Rudd. I'm actually a bit surprised. I didn't realise she had any morals.

Sostenueto · 07/09/2019 22:59

Personally I can't stand Soubry. No particular reason just took a dislike to her. And Andrea (Loathsome) leadsom makes me want to chuck up!

Sostenueto · 07/09/2019 23:01

chas and dad thanks for info well appreciated I've learned something new. Flowers