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Westministenders: Is Boris going to give us one ?

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BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2019 09:50

A General Election that is

Well, only when Corbyn lets him, not when BJ wants it.
So far as PM, BJ has lost 4 votes to zero wins - which is a record

BJ has been spraying around promises of billions in spending,
like a tomcat drunk on catnip, spraying the Magic Money Tree

SPADs have been forbidden to take holiday before 31 October
and of course that coup / prorogue to force No Deal and wank off the authoritarian vote

The prorogue also robs him of 5 more weeks time in which he could have forced a GE.
Whoops

BJ / Cum would ideally want a GE right after Brexit
to have achieved their No Deal, maximise their votes from the Faragist
.... all before the No Deal chickens come home to roost

Of course, as PM, BJ - or is Cummings the real PM ? - could change any pre-Brexit date that the naive think they have agreed

The Rebel Alliance have options to stop him:

BJ has sacked 21 MPs, so if the Alliance unite, they outnumber Con+DUP
Another Whoops
However, they have different aims and find it difficult to compromise
Some might prefer No Deal rather than the bogeyman Corbyn, because they don't do compromise

They could use a VoNC to replace BJ by Corbyn,
who would then ask for an extension and call a GE before Brexit
Stopping No Deal that way depends on Corbyn winning the GE - a HUGE gamble

Maybe he can use the slogan
"Brexit is the Tory project to make you forget the other Tory project: Austerity"

while to appeal to some pp, the Tories can use
"Vote to protect the bonuses of rich bankers"

Or if nothing happens by 19 October, MPs can vote for the WA, which would definitely stop No Deal
But that would require the HoC to make a decision - and it has spent several months avoiding that

Tick tock, No Deal is coming

Meanwhile, talks are ongoing for a Tory-Brexit party pact.
Reportedly, the hedge-fund donors won't fund a Tory GE campaign unless there is a pact:

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-election-pact-between-johnson-and-farage-edges-closer/

How much money does it take to buy the UK governing party ? 🤔

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Sostenueto · 07/09/2019 22:23

Thanks Bigchocfrenzy I still have this awful funny feeling.........

Dgd loved KCL and also the pencil, badge and sweets in the shape of a brain.Grin

flouncyfanny · 07/09/2019 22:23

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Outsomnia · 07/09/2019 22:24

What a fkn drama.

Who is it aimed at though, the EU, UK or U.S. or Putin?

UK is just a laughing stock at the moment, as I am sure many have realised by now.

I do not know what will happen. Does anyone really?

TheMShip · 07/09/2019 22:24

The MoS page looks like part of the narrative that no deal's effects will be the fault of the rebel alliance.

BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2019 22:25

Keir Starmerr@Keir*_Starmer

This legal advice spells out in clear terms that Boris Johnson is not above the law.

Parliament has passed robust legislation requiring him to stop no deal at the end of October.

He must implement it - or face the legal consequences.

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Sostenueto · 07/09/2019 22:25

chazs can't Boris the animal advise Queen not to approve it though?

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RedToothBrush · 07/09/2019 22:27

Guido Fawkes @guidofawkes
Pundits claim Amber resigning will be a "huge loss for the Conservative Party". Doubt Conservatives will think that. She was bottom of the last @ConHome Cabinet net satisfaction rankings.

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smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 07/09/2019 22:27

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Sostenueto · 07/09/2019 22:27

Doesn't the Queen have to do what the PM advises or not?Confused

BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2019 22:27

Caddy Unfortunately, this is reality
I tried pinching myself over the last several months, but it is not a dream

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ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 07/09/2019 22:29

The Queen doesn’t approve in person. No monarch has approved a bill in person since 1854.
www.parliament.uk/about/how/laws/passage-bill/commons/coms-royal-assent/

Does the Queen give Royal Assent in person?
The Queen can give Royal Assent in person but this has not happened since 1854. The Queen's agreement to give her assent to a Bill is a formality.

Driedlimes · 07/09/2019 22:29

@prettybird thank you. Been dying to post for ages.

I rely on this thread for sane commentary & it has definitely shifted my opinion from remain to deal & try to shift public opinion back over time having addressed causes of discontent.

The hate on Twitter really freaks me out in comparison. Carswell & Farage quoting 'collusion with foreign powers' & vile misogynistic stuff about Rudd.

PestyMachtubernahme · 07/09/2019 22:29

Dup will be out on 21st Oct as the new a abortion laws threaten to kick in.
Majority - 53 and rising Feck, who knows, we have all lost count.

Has Blowjob jnr mentioned a plan yet?

BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2019 22:30

The hard right immediately try to smear anyone who resigns

To my surprise, howabout was at it too, re the earlier 21 MPs
Strange how some "Lexiters" have the same copybook as the hard right Hmm

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RedToothBrush · 07/09/2019 22:30

Harry Cole@mrharrycole
😬 No 10 source: ‘as the polls show,the voters are quite happy for the PM to get rid of people who don’t want us to sort out Brexit. There a plenty of talented younger MPs to replace any deadwood.’

Sostenueto · 07/09/2019 22:32

There maybe trouble ahead if people are already kicking off...

And NI no government in place and civil servants unable to sort stuff out for livestock and agriculture. When the hell is that -small-- point going to be sorted?

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 07/09/2019 22:32

It would put the Constitutional Monarchy at risk if RA wasn’t given to a Bill that has passed both HoP.

If BJ were to ask I strongly suspect HMQ would ask Prince Phillip to take him out for a drive around Windsor Great Park.

BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2019 22:34

We are way beyond the usual smoke signals
Gloves off

The Tory party is in the full-on civil war that Cameron tried to avert with the referendum

Pity they couldn't have this without dragging the whole country into it

Ian Dunt@IanDunt

That's probably the most harshly worded resignation letter from a minister I've seen.

"Assault on decency and democracy". An "act of political vandalism".
Blimey.

I mean, back in the day you'd have to decode the criticism.

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RedToothBrush · 07/09/2019 22:34

Paralyse the EU?

Oh OK. Good luck with that.

We couldnt manage this by ourselves between 1939 and 1945.

So I'm fascinated to see how we will manage this

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TheMShip · 07/09/2019 22:35

I'm finding RA confusing. Who or what body actually grants it then if not the monarch?

Sostenueto · 07/09/2019 22:36

Thanks chazsFlowers

Sostenueto · 07/09/2019 22:38

It doesn't take a lot for me to get confused.Grin

Sostenueto · 07/09/2019 22:40

Think it must be a unicorn TheMshipGrin

Apileofballyhoo · 07/09/2019 22:40

That's probably the most harshly worded resignation letter from a minister I've seen.

I thought that too. Fair play to her - I liked the reference to millions promised for DWP too.

Does anybody wonder if Labour voter Brexit supporters would refrain from voting for the BP if there's a pact with the Tories? Sorry my phrasing is a bit off there, hope you know what I mean.