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Westministenders: Is Boris going to give us one ?

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BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2019 09:50

A General Election that is

Well, only when Corbyn lets him, not when BJ wants it.
So far as PM, BJ has lost 4 votes to zero wins - which is a record

BJ has been spraying around promises of billions in spending,
like a tomcat drunk on catnip, spraying the Magic Money Tree

SPADs have been forbidden to take holiday before 31 October
and of course that coup / prorogue to force No Deal and wank off the authoritarian vote

The prorogue also robs him of 5 more weeks time in which he could have forced a GE.
Whoops

BJ / Cum would ideally want a GE right after Brexit
to have achieved their No Deal, maximise their votes from the Faragist
.... all before the No Deal chickens come home to roost

Of course, as PM, BJ - or is Cummings the real PM ? - could change any pre-Brexit date that the naive think they have agreed

The Rebel Alliance have options to stop him:

BJ has sacked 21 MPs, so if the Alliance unite, they outnumber Con+DUP
Another Whoops
However, they have different aims and find it difficult to compromise
Some might prefer No Deal rather than the bogeyman Corbyn, because they don't do compromise

They could use a VoNC to replace BJ by Corbyn,
who would then ask for an extension and call a GE before Brexit
Stopping No Deal that way depends on Corbyn winning the GE - a HUGE gamble

Maybe he can use the slogan
"Brexit is the Tory project to make you forget the other Tory project: Austerity"

while to appeal to some pp, the Tories can use
"Vote to protect the bonuses of rich bankers"

Or if nothing happens by 19 October, MPs can vote for the WA, which would definitely stop No Deal
But that would require the HoC to make a decision - and it has spent several months avoiding that

Tick tock, No Deal is coming

Meanwhile, talks are ongoing for a Tory-Brexit party pact.
Reportedly, the hedge-fund donors won't fund a Tory GE campaign unless there is a pact:

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-election-pact-between-johnson-and-farage-edges-closer/

How much money does it take to buy the UK governing party ? 🤔

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smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 07/09/2019 21:55

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BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2019 21:55

@red Am I being paranoid that BXP may merge with / take over the Tories ?

The Tory party seems ripe for plucking

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RedToothBrush · 07/09/2019 21:55

Johnson's 56433th child

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prettybird · 07/09/2019 21:56

I've half agreed with some of what bearbehind' has posted Wink - and am a long standing poster who has tried hard never to stoop to personal insults (usually the worse I do is very deliberately saying "his or her" to new posters who are annoying me Wink and of whom I have my suspicions Hmm).

Driedlimes - I've appreciated your contributions today so please continue to post.

There are others who started posting on the last thread and who I am not going to bother to name-check because they are not worth it who I have quickly learnt to skim over and read the next serious post Grin

I hope that they are getting paid by the word - they write long posts that few people read. The key thing is not to let them derail or allow them to dictate the terms of the discussion.

We used to talk frequently of the danger of squirrels. There have been a lot of squirrels recently - both from the PM and pro-Brexit MSM and also from certain new posters working hard to distract us.

RedToothBrush · 07/09/2019 21:56

Get the EU to kick us out

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flouncyfanny · 07/09/2019 21:57

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BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2019 21:58

The Tory members & constituency associations are overwhelmingly hard right - with a few moderate outposts, that may leave with their MP

The infrastructure already has been taken over imo
Donors are demanding a BXP pact

It*s just the MPs left to purge .... which is ongoing

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RedToothBrush · 07/09/2019 22:00

Michael Savage @michaelsavage
Told that Dominic Cummings told a meeting on Friday that the people who are cross about his tactics “will melt” when they learn of what he has planned in coming weeks.

We’re in the foothills of the chaos.

Look at the language of this.

Who is the boss, Johnson or Cummings?

Answers on a post code to

Larry The Cat, 10 Downing St, London.

BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2019 22:01

The other headline on that front page "England hang onto hope" Grin

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Sostenueto · 07/09/2019 22:01

Has the Queen actually approved the Bill yet? Cos I've a funny feeling she may have been advised not to approve it. Just a feeling.....wtf would happen then?

Amber Rudd had also LEFT the Tory party.

President Trump is being investigated over his Scottish Golf Course.

RedToothBrush · 07/09/2019 22:02

Nick Boles MP @nickboles
At what point do Matt Hancock and Nicky Morgan suddenly discover that they too have backbones? Or are they now nailed on as the One Nation window dressing for the Brexit Party?

TheMShip · 07/09/2019 22:02

Saw my first pocket Boris today! Who called that one first here?

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ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 07/09/2019 22:02

RTB

Larry would be a better PM right now
Vote Larry!

BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2019 22:02

We must keep reminding ourself that Cummings isn't even a Tory member

That NYT analysis I posted upthread said his tactics are first to destroy everything, then to rebuild the way he wants it

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RedToothBrush · 07/09/2019 22:03

Gosh.

The Mail On Sunday wrote this very quickly...

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Sostenueto · 07/09/2019 22:04

Iranian oil tanker moored off the coast of Syria......yet more instability. We cannot stand alone with the state if the world at the minute...its not safe to do so.

Basilpots · 07/09/2019 22:04

@flouncyfanny it was on Twitter a while back can’t find it now wasn’t anywhere near the 106 that’s been bandied about now but there were a lot of Labour leave marginals.

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bombomboobah · 07/09/2019 22:05

starting to look like a deliberate purge

Basilpots · 07/09/2019 22:05

@TheMShip ship me. I’ve been waiting patiently since yesterday Grin

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RedToothBrush · 07/09/2019 22:05

Emily Ashton @elashton
New: Philip Hammond is taking legal advice after the government removed the whip from him and Tory colleagues, he tells the Surrey Advertiser. "I will decide in due course how I intend to proceed."

Hammond says: "I am saddened that the Conservative Party (run by people who were serial rebels under Theresa May) has resorted to purging anyone expressing dissent. We all know only too well where that road ends up."

From the Sunday Times to the Surrey Advertiser

RedToothBrush · 07/09/2019 22:06

starting to look like a deliberate purge

'Starting'???!!!

DoctorTwo · 07/09/2019 22:07

Somebody I know is a constituent of Rudd and she's not that popular there.

Thanks for the erm, 'new' thread @BigChocFrenzy :o