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Westministenders: Is Boris going to give us one ?

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BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2019 09:50

A General Election that is

Well, only when Corbyn lets him, not when BJ wants it.
So far as PM, BJ has lost 4 votes to zero wins - which is a record

BJ has been spraying around promises of billions in spending,
like a tomcat drunk on catnip, spraying the Magic Money Tree

SPADs have been forbidden to take holiday before 31 October
and of course that coup / prorogue to force No Deal and wank off the authoritarian vote

The prorogue also robs him of 5 more weeks time in which he could have forced a GE.
Whoops

BJ / Cum would ideally want a GE right after Brexit
to have achieved their No Deal, maximise their votes from the Faragist
.... all before the No Deal chickens come home to roost

Of course, as PM, BJ - or is Cummings the real PM ? - could change any pre-Brexit date that the naive think they have agreed

The Rebel Alliance have options to stop him:

BJ has sacked 21 MPs, so if the Alliance unite, they outnumber Con+DUP
Another Whoops
However, they have different aims and find it difficult to compromise
Some might prefer No Deal rather than the bogeyman Corbyn, because they don't do compromise

They could use a VoNC to replace BJ by Corbyn,
who would then ask for an extension and call a GE before Brexit
Stopping No Deal that way depends on Corbyn winning the GE - a HUGE gamble

Maybe he can use the slogan
"Brexit is the Tory project to make you forget the other Tory project: Austerity"

while to appeal to some pp, the Tories can use
"Vote to protect the bonuses of rich bankers"

Or if nothing happens by 19 October, MPs can vote for the WA, which would definitely stop No Deal
But that would require the HoC to make a decision - and it has spent several months avoiding that

Tick tock, No Deal is coming

Meanwhile, talks are ongoing for a Tory-Brexit party pact.
Reportedly, the hedge-fund donors won't fund a Tory GE campaign unless there is a pact:

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-election-pact-between-johnson-and-farage-edges-closer/

How much money does it take to buy the UK governing party ? 🤔

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/09/2019 18:28

just so I cannot ignore the 48% but your beloved Corbyn can?

FFS Bear nobody can un run the referendum that you voted to provide the country with

placemats · 07/09/2019 18:29

Bear

This is nothing to do with Corbyn.

This has all to do with Boris Johnson. He's the Prime Minister.

Stop making this this out to be the fault of the opposition.

Did you vote?

prettybird · 07/09/2019 18:29

If we had a proper Referendum Commission, like Ireland (which is used to holding referendums) does, then we could be more confident that accurate information was disseminated, with an agreed analysis of the implications of voting for the different options.

For example, if No Deal was an option, it should be made clear that those that vote for it are voting to break an International Peace Treaty yes, I know that that won't happen but it should If the electorate then choose to do so, then the rest of the world has a clear idea of the direction that the country England is going. Even if it just said that the "borderless" border required technolgogy that hadn't yet been invented otherwise other countries would be using it then that would be a start.

Operation Yellowhammer would need to be published in full and the NDAs that have been imposed on businesses, trade bodies and professional associations should be lifted , so that people could make informed decisions.

At the vety very least, the Electoral Commission should be given more real time teeth, so that it can stop lies being spread (on both sides --but I've yet to see any lies on the Remain side that were of the scale of the Leave Campaign). Ditto with spending: only pre-approved spending should be allowed. There is no point crying crocodile tears after the event that one of the campaigns spent too much, if they've already achieved their objective.

Social Media campaigns need to have more over-sight. Micro-targetting should be more transparent, again so that lies can be challenged.

All the above also applies in GEs, but unfortunately I don't see any of it being addressed Sad Purdah is the best we can hope for - and even that doesn't have to be fully observed during a Referendum. Sad

placemats · 07/09/2019 18:32

FFS what has this got to do with the Labour Party?

It was a Conservative government that brought us into this mess.

Perhaps they await the plebs to clean their shite up.

Peregrina · 07/09/2019 18:33

We pretty much know what a Tory / BXP vote is for

I am not sure that this can be said any more as far as the Tories are concerned. Which ones are the true Tories - Soames, Clarke, Grieve, Hammond and the others summarily booted out of the party or the ERG? I think there will be a lot of moderate Tories up and down the land in a real quandary as to who to vote for, especially if the majority of the ones thrown out stand again.

placemats · 07/09/2019 18:35

This isn't about England (though I wish it was), this is about the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

If England wants to go it alone, you're welcome. Take the stooges that is Wales with you though.

placemats · 07/09/2019 18:36

Those in the ERG are against:

Same sex marriage

Abortion.

bellinisurge · 07/09/2019 18:36

Bear, you get in high dudgeon and it doesn't help you or the debate.
I have explained to you many many times why I think we should still clutch at whatever straw is going to fight No Deal - to save NI by protecting GFA. I will keep trying, you give up if you want to.
I have also explained countless times how much I despise Corbyn. But I am not a Meatloaf Anti No Dealer. If it means using Corbyn to stop No Deal, I will support it. We can recover from Corbyn; No Deal would be a disaster from which we would take generations to recover.

Bearbehind · 07/09/2019 18:36

Labour have said over and over they'd go for a Customs Union and want to protect workers' rights. So I'm not sure what you don't understand about that.

The fact it’s not compatible with stopping FOM which is the priority for most Leavers

JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/09/2019 18:37

Can my constituency stay we voted to Remain, cant believe that my country voted to leave but the south is no different to the north of England, decimated by Thatcher and then thrown to the wolves by Cameron, Osbourne and Clegg

Bearbehind · 07/09/2019 18:37

Did you vote?

No, I didn’t bother voting 🤔

Oranginna · 07/09/2019 18:38

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/09/2019 18:38

stopping FOM which is the priority for most Leavers

Citation needed if you are now the spokesperson of all No Dealers on here Bear

Basilpots · 07/09/2019 18:39

Frankly as long Labour are not Boris Johnson and the Tory Party that’s good enough for me.

That is how low this Tory Party have lowered my expectations of politicians.

Bearbehind · 07/09/2019 18:40

If it means using Corbyn to stop No Deal, I will support it.

But no one can explain how Corbyn can be used to avoid no deal.

He’s a Leaver

He doesn’t want to remain in the EU and what he does want is no more possible than what the Tories wanted and failed to get

JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/09/2019 18:40

Alastair PEOPLE’S VOTE Campbell
@campbellclaret
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1m
Very disappointed in the
@DavidDavisMP
no show for the
@FT
debate at Kenwood. Anyone got a chicken suit ???

Bearbehind · 07/09/2019 18:41

Citation needed if you are now the spokesperson of all No Dealers on here Bear

Every Leave supporting forum / social media outlet will evidence this

JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/09/2019 18:42

Bear I'm done you just dont want to listen so youre being disingenuous because clearly nothing is going to change your mind even if youre presented with facts, typical No Dealer and I'm not going to bother to engage with you on this thread anymore

bellinisurge · 07/09/2019 18:43

Bear if we get past October 31 and avoid No Deal, Johnson will be destroyed. He will have to resign. After that, all bets are off. I'm not in favour of Revoke. I know Corbyn is a Lexiteer.

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Basilpots · 07/09/2019 18:46

Not all Leavers want no deal.

Bearbehind · 07/09/2019 18:46

No problem just, ignoring me is undoubtedly easier than proving me wrong.

Myriade · 07/09/2019 18:47

Actually I agree with Bear onJC

He is a leaver who is still believing in Unicorns.
Getting an extension and JC as prime minister means the same mess than we are in UNLESS he suddenly gets a bit of sense and agrees to the WA (or a similar version).
The issue is that he has always said he is dead against it

bellinisurge · 07/09/2019 18:48

@Basilpots , I couldn't agree more. It's the noisy No Dealers who say that No Deal is the only version of Leave.
Even Johnson voted for WA and I bet, despite Bear's protestations, it would go through now that it is allowed back. Even (whisper so Bear doesn't hear me) , an Ni only backstop version.

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