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Westministenders: Is Boris going to give us one ?

999 replies

BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2019 09:50

A General Election that is

Well, only when Corbyn lets him, not when BJ wants it.
So far as PM, BJ has lost 4 votes to zero wins - which is a record

BJ has been spraying around promises of billions in spending,
like a tomcat drunk on catnip, spraying the Magic Money Tree

SPADs have been forbidden to take holiday before 31 October
and of course that coup / prorogue to force No Deal and wank off the authoritarian vote

The prorogue also robs him of 5 more weeks time in which he could have forced a GE.
Whoops

BJ / Cum would ideally want a GE right after Brexit
to have achieved their No Deal, maximise their votes from the Faragist
.... all before the No Deal chickens come home to roost

Of course, as PM, BJ - or is Cummings the real PM ? - could change any pre-Brexit date that the naive think they have agreed

The Rebel Alliance have options to stop him:

BJ has sacked 21 MPs, so if the Alliance unite, they outnumber Con+DUP
Another Whoops
However, they have different aims and find it difficult to compromise
Some might prefer No Deal rather than the bogeyman Corbyn, because they don't do compromise

They could use a VoNC to replace BJ by Corbyn,
who would then ask for an extension and call a GE before Brexit
Stopping No Deal that way depends on Corbyn winning the GE - a HUGE gamble

Maybe he can use the slogan
"Brexit is the Tory project to make you forget the other Tory project: Austerity"

while to appeal to some pp, the Tories can use
"Vote to protect the bonuses of rich bankers"

Or if nothing happens by 19 October, MPs can vote for the WA, which would definitely stop No Deal
But that would require the HoC to make a decision - and it has spent several months avoiding that

Tick tock, No Deal is coming

Meanwhile, talks are ongoing for a Tory-Brexit party pact.
Reportedly, the hedge-fund donors won't fund a Tory GE campaign unless there is a pact:

www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/revealed-election-pact-between-johnson-and-farage-edges-closer/

How much money does it take to buy the UK governing party ? 🤔

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placemats · 07/09/2019 18:05

Leave won by obfuscation and lies.

I do not accept it.

I never will.

Now, convince me life will be better living in England. (I have a EU passport and citizenship)

placemats · 07/09/2019 18:07

Uncertainty is crippling their economies and ours already - it needs sorting now

No it isn't. The Euro is strong now. The pound is weak.

FFS it's basic economics.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/09/2019 18:07

Labour aren’t even promising PV because of Corbyn

It was voted at conference iirc

ListeningQuietly · 07/09/2019 18:09

placemats
What question on a referendum would resolve the issue now?

Bearbehind · 07/09/2019 18:10

It was voted at conference iirc

It was, and you show me where Corbyn has ever acknowledged the legitimacy of that vote.

Bearbehind · 07/09/2019 18:11

Fair enough, uncertainty is crippling our economy

0lga · 07/09/2019 18:11

PMK

Alsohuman · 07/09/2019 18:12

A link to the Standard article. He was right about the elephant trap of an election. Maybe Corbyn is listening to a three times undefeated PM.

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-news-latest-jeremy-corbyn-has-boris-johnsons-most-sensitive-parts-in-his-hands-says-tony-a4230666.html

Bearbehind · 07/09/2019 18:12

Leave won by obfuscation and lies.

I do not accept it.

I never will.

Stamp your feet all you like - it doesn’t change what is possible now

placemats · 07/09/2019 18:12

The questions would be:

Do you leave

Do you stay

placemats · 07/09/2019 18:13

What is possible now Bear

Give me some hope please?

Bearbehind · 07/09/2019 18:14

That was the question 3 years ago and which led to this mess placemats

JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/09/2019 18:15

Corbyn always abide by what the membership want (might not agree with his time scales though), its the basis of the argument between the wings of the party dont kid yourself its anything more than that no matter how the 'moderates' dress it

Corbyn wants to bin the nukes but because of conference Labours policy is to replace like for like

Can you point to a team he hasnt abided by a conference motion Bear?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/09/2019 18:16

Maybe Corbyn is listening to a three times undefeated PM.

Highly unlikely

placemats · 07/09/2019 18:16

There were a few Parliamentarians who wanted a referendum on leaving the EU. They were given prominence in the MSM. They were given the vote, by stamping their feet for so long everyone gave in Bear

Bad parenting. And you know it Bear

placemats · 07/09/2019 18:17

No it wasn't Bear

I doubt you voted.

Bearbehind · 07/09/2019 18:17

placemats I’d love to give you hope but unless Corbyn does the honourable thing and stands down and Labour runs on a Remain ticket then I don’t see how we can avoid no deal so we should just get on with it and deal with the mess ASAP.

We’d be crawling back to the EU within weeks.

Bearbehind · 07/09/2019 18:18

Can you point to a team he hasnt abided by a conference motion Bear?

Yes - failing to acknowledge the vote for a PV

Bearbehind · 07/09/2019 18:19

No it wasn't Bear

I doubt you voted.

Eh?

Alsohuman · 07/09/2019 18:22

He certainly seems to have followed Blair’s advice on the timing of a GE @JustAnotherPoster00. I’d have put money on him falling for it.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/09/2019 18:23

Corbyn does the honourable thing and stands down and Labour runs on a Remain ticket then I don’t see how we can avoid no deal so we should just get on with it and deal with the mess ASAP

Bear you cannot completely ignore once side of the argument the country was 52/48 the Torie/BXP co alition want to completely disregard 48% of those who voted, likewise the SNP/LibDem want to totally disregard 52% of those who voted (although the SNP do have more of a right seeing as their country was overwhelmingly Remain) how was ignoring either side of this going to heal any of the divisions we currently have, I swear Bear you come across more and more like a disaster capitalist

Bearbehind · 07/09/2019 18:25

just so I cannot ignore the 48% but your beloved Corbyn can?

Apileofballyhoo · 07/09/2019 18:25

Bear, Labour have said over and over they'd go for a Customs Union and want to protect workers' rights. So I'm not sure what you don't understand about that.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/09/2019 18:26

I’d have put money on him falling for it.

Thats the trouble isnt it, the narrative that hes useless has been going for so long its removed his agency, he does something good (has to be someone I feel more aligned with must have advised him) he does something bad (oh look how useless he is) he's been right about a lot of things in his career he's also been wrong about certain things

JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/09/2019 18:27

Yes - failing to acknowledge the vote for a PV

Labours Brexit policy is PV in all circumstances

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