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Westminstenders: "He's in trouble". No he's not.

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RedToothBrush · 06/09/2019 00:48

All day I've seen nothing but comments and tweets about he Johnson is in trouble and he's losing it.

They are wrong. He's far from done.

Take a step through the Looking Glass and the world looks different.

Those tweeting and reporting all care about events and are following closely. They are unrepresentative of the population as a whole who don't give two shiny shits.

And so we have the Trump dynamic.

The Liberal elite of broadcasters and journalists who are only seeing through the lens of their own judgement, not from the repackaged marketing.

Instead they are unwittingly publishing the images and slogans in the format Johnson wants and enter the minds of the public as planned.

The media are out of step with perceptions. And that's worrying. They don't see what's coming.

Johnson will have an election at some point. With the Tory party cleansed of moderates it is the Brexit Party one way or another, whether it be by takeover or coalition. And its riding high in the polling.

Even though even his brother has abandoned him, the future looks positive for Johnson as his opponents have a complete lack of self awareness and no understanding of the opposition they are taking on; they are campaigning in a way that plays into the hands of Johnson.

Despite his lack of majority and apparently absence of plan or speech notes, the biggest mistake you can make now is to write off Johnson.

You do so at your own peril.

Pay close attention to how authoritarians work and what's already happened in the US. We are on course to repeat it.

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magicroundabouts · 06/09/2019 22:10

Thank you for the threads (I normally lurk), but thought I’d share this from fb as it made me laugh Grin

www.facebook.com/276638585821743/posts/1413959365422987/

BigChocFrenzy · 06/09/2019 22:10

Well, latest poll shows more people would accept a PV
Sady, almost all of the 46% are Remainers and of the 41%, almost all Leavers

What are Corbyn's chances of winning with that in his manifesto ?

Britain Electss@britainelects*

On "a public vote on Brexit":

Support: 46%
Oppose: 41%

via @YouGov, 03 - 04 Sep

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 06/09/2019 22:13

flouncy please could you stop the crude nicknames, it is silly and smacks of the very behaviour most of us dislike in party politics.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/09/2019 22:13

Well, there's 32% of the public about to send all their savings to help that nice Nigerian prince

Britain Electss@britainelects*

Boris Johnson is...

Seriously trying to get a deal with the EU: 39%
Not seriously trying to get a deal with the EU: 42%

thecatfromjapan · 06/09/2019 22:14

Has everyone on the thread seen this?

Inevitable, really.

But I genuinely wonder how long-term, small 'c' Conservatives can bear their Party to be taken over and become the BrexitCon Party in all but name, funded by very, very dark money.

It makes the move to the left in labour seem like toy town. ☹️

Westminstenders: "He's in trouble". No he's not.
BigChocFrenzy · 06/09/2019 22:16

Hey, those policing other posters language:

I prefer their daft names to your holier-than-thou pontificating

No censorship on the Westministenders Pirate Channel for Subversive Elements

bellinisurge · 06/09/2019 22:16

These pesky Quitlings are conspiring to give me a reason to vote for that twat, Corbyn.

flouncyfanny · 06/09/2019 22:17

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Songsofexperience · 06/09/2019 22:18

I'm with you bigchoc

Violetparis · 06/09/2019 22:18

Great post smilethoyourheartisbreaking

JustAnotherPoster00 · 06/09/2019 22:19

I prefer their daft names to your holier-than-thou pontificating

^^This

chomalungma · 06/09/2019 22:22

It would be ironic if a Government came back with the current withdrawal agreement and people who were hard leavers kicked up a fuss and demanded a public vote because it's not what they think people voted for....

BigChocFrenzy · 06/09/2019 22:23

cat I hadn't seen that, but I've been expecting a CON-BXP pact some time

  • Farage has been as subtle in asking as a whore on the Reeperbahn

Just a matter of how formal it is - in writing ?
How much cooperation during and after the GE campaign
and are any Caninet posts promised - or ambassadorships to the US for someone who might not win a seat

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 06/09/2019 22:23

I had thought genuinely thought this was a serious thread about the potential political outcomes.

bellinisurge · 06/09/2019 22:24

Hope you feel better in the morning and sleep well @flouncyfanny .

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 06/09/2019 22:24

big Farridge has been desperate for a knighthood hasn't he. I bet that would be factored it

flouncyfanny · 06/09/2019 22:26

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Basilpots · 06/09/2019 22:31

After what Farage said about the immediate family of the Queen he could be waiting a while to become Lord Farage of Gammonshire.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/09/2019 22:32

flouncy If BJ quits, HMQ has to invite someone to be PM who can command a majority

After all the Tory defections, the Rebel Alliance slightly outnumbers Tories+DUP - as we have seen

So, by convention, HMQ would have to invite .... Corbyn !

I await mass heart attacks among rich Tory Leavers if the bogeyman becomes PM
(even though it would only be for a few days or weeks)

Possible problem is if the Alliance are daft enough to wait until 29 / 30 October, hoping for a flying unicorn - BJ could resign then, the worst time.
Her Madge may not be that quick on her feet at 90. She might also be ill then.
Anyway, her advisers need time to assess if Corbyn could command majority

chomalungma · 06/09/2019 22:34

Instead of quit, would 'flounce' be a better term to use?

thecatfromjapan · 06/09/2019 22:35

Good questions, BigChoc.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/09/2019 22:35

If Farage were awarded a knighthood .....

Difficult at 90 to hold a sword completely steady near someone's neck !
Whoops, one accidentally slit a throat and it's all over one's throne room .....

JustAnotherPoster00 · 06/09/2019 22:36

especially if someone was to sneeze loudly and made her jump Grin

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 06/09/2019 22:36

Andrew Lilico in the Telegraph has already discussed BJ deliberately resigning so JC gets in and then BJ calling a VONC that JC will lose in order to trigger a GE.

He is expecting BJ to quit late on 19th to make it hard for his successor as they won’t have time to ask for the extension.

Basilpots · 06/09/2019 22:36

@smilethoyourheartisbreaking

Great podcast on bbc sounds ‘beyond today’ about reconciliation and what it takes
It’s ‘Brexit are we all radicals now’ has an interview with a South African Jan Hofmeyr about what it took to get their county to move forward.