Westminstenders: "He's in trouble". No he's not.

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All day I've seen nothing but comments and tweets about he Johnson is in trouble and he's losing it.

They are wrong. He's far from done.

Take a step through the Looking Glass and the world looks different.

Those tweeting and reporting all care about events and are following closely. They are unrepresentative of the population as a whole who don't give two shiny shits.

And so we have the Trump dynamic.

The Liberal elite of broadcasters and journalists who are only seeing through the lens of their own judgement, not from the repackaged marketing.

Instead they are unwittingly publishing the images and slogans in the format Johnson wants and enter the minds of the public as planned.

The media are out of step with perceptions. And that's worrying. They don't see what's coming.

Johnson will have an election at some point. With the Tory party cleansed of moderates it is the Brexit Party one way or another, whether it be by takeover or coalition. And its riding high in the polling.

Even though even his brother has abandoned him, the future looks positive for Johnson as his opponents have a complete lack of self awareness and no understanding of the opposition they are taking on; they are campaigning in a way that plays into the hands of Johnson.

Despite his lack of majority and apparently absence of plan or speech notes, the biggest mistake you can make now is to write off Johnson.

You do so at your own peril.

Pay close attention to how authoritarians work and what's already happened in the US. We are on course to repeat it.

Well, sneering at a 6 figure income suggests the real 0.1 % elite
I won't worry too much if that tiny group vote hard right

If a GNU is formed can they order the civil service to publish the yellowhammer report in full so leavers can see what awaits them if no deal happens?

Can absolutely everything be dismissed as "project fear" and why is the fear of Corbyn not "project fear"?

Why are so many so easily manipulated and why does it only work one way?

Now you’re taking the piss @Greenpeacefriendforlife. Anyone paying that amount of tax is in the top 0.5% of the population. You seem incapable of believing anything outside your bubble, even when you’re presented with evidence. Still don’t believe Citi Bank and Duesche Bank’s stance? I notice you went pretty quiet after the Telegraph link was posted.

I have quizzed DH, the higher earner in our house and previous Tory member.
To vote Corbyn he would require a soft Brexit that kept FOM or a clear promise of a PV.
If Corbyn went nuts on tax rates he would stay overseas. But overall he is more concerned on keeping FOM rather than paying more taxes.
But he won't vote Tory, voting LD again.
He fears Corbyn is anti business fundamentally and that could be as damaging as a hard Brexit.
It is an unrepresentative sample of 1!

i wouldn’t call you a high earner sorry oub

Riiiight. Pardon me. How stupid of me to assume that I’m in “high earner” territory. My mistake.

Have you been in touch with reality recently?

I don't get Greenpeace at all - she seems to want Brexit to put one over the "liberal elite" but at the same time is afraid of a Corbyn government causing the same "liberal elite" to move all their money out of the country.

I’ve been in the ‘bottom’ one per cent too for decades. Can’t honestly stand the 1% bullshit. I have voted labour all my life until recently. I still would if Corbyn was replaced, and indeed if they had a reasonable position, any position on Brexit.

The problem is they don’t, and have avoided the topic for years.

The next few weeks will force a position and then they stand to come a lucky third after the Lib Dem. Cant quite bring myself to call them democrats anymore.

Bottom line. I respect the remain position, I do and always have. I would have been content with a compromise, Malthouse or similar could have worked, but unfortunately those that felt they could completely revoke the referendum and ignore the result infuriated me, and most of us and all goodwill evaporated.

i wouldn’t call you a high earner sorry oub

So you're concerned that high earners will vote Conservative instead of Labour because they fear Corbyn more than Leave?

And you don't think that a 6 figure salary is a high earner?

I don't think Corbyn is going to be quaking about losing such high earners then....

Who was that Australian poster who was pushing for no deal? Janista or something? Think she's/he has had a name change am I right Green not that you'll admit it I'm sure

We aren't bankers so not in greenpeaces league but also not silly enough not to know that most of the country would consider us high income ( for the good reason that statistically we are, not me to be fair social work pay is rubbish !)

I have voted labour all my life until recently. I still would if Corbyn was replaced, and indeed if they had a reasonable position, any position on Brexit.

Cool story bro

also you need to learn to read. My reply was a few pages back!

I live in Germany right after the ref, so no Brexiters here

Everyone here is looking on in bemusement & amusement
Several at work from India especially - past grudges - also SKorea, China who are really laughing at the mess the UK is in
In contrast, the Germans are polite and hope we don't hurt ourselves too much

The AfD concentrate now on anti-Muslim memes and savaging all climate change campaigners
Brexit killed any idea of Dexit.
misti & other pp in France have said similarly about the NF

Even leaving the Euro is dead.
Yes, I know that's supposed to collapse any day now - UK rightwingers have been saying that since the day started, so I finally stopped listening on that
Deutsche bank will be ok too

Or that poster BMW something, I recognise the posting style and it will come to me

I think revoke won’t happen, any attempt to do so would be political suicide for the party concerned.

I agree with Green about the mix of sentiment in the City plenty of Remainers. They are not so worried about Europe as losing out to Asia and the US in financial services. A fair number of the financial services jobs moving are sales or back office.

I have a feeling Parliament will hold its nose and pass the WA at the last minute.

A compromise only works if the other people you are working out a deal with can accept it.
The EU were never going to accept Malthouse. That was only ever a compromise within the conservatives.

Labour does need to find a position that both they and the EU are happy with. The EU's position remains clear so Labour only have so many options.

In contrast, the Germans are polite and hope we don't hurt ourselves too much I'm sorry but that is over egging the pudding.

just no idea what you are talking about but will assume it is a compliment.

The City of London props up much of the country, so it is for good reason that we wish for the banks to stay, for the wealth to continue to flow into London. Otherwise please expect for hospitals and schools to close en masse. Our nhs costs billions. All of these things need funding. Its an absolute indulgence to imagine the country will survive a Corbyn government.

Given most people's attention span, I think that if the WA agreement is signed, most people will see that we have left the EU.

The visible signs of the EU will go.

It will be a headline in the papers and on the Radio stations.

"Britain has left the EU".

Beyond that. the technicalities of the backstop, free trade deals etc will not really register in many people's heads.

Give them the headline. We have left the EU.

The City of London props up much of the country, so it is for good reason that we wish for the banks to stay, for the wealth to continue to flow into London. Otherwise please expect for hospitals and schools to close en masse

You've got an unusual way of writing.

Just saying.....

In contrast, the Germans are polite and hope we don't hurt ourselves too much I'm sorry but that is over egging the pudding.

To be fair the German's we know have studied and worked in the UK. They find Brexit (and Love Island which they watch on vpn) fascinating but hope we don't destroy the country.

The country is still split about 50:50

imo, total victory for either side would cause longterm bitterness and not be forgiven for decades

I think most of the country could probably, if grudgingly, accept the WA
It is, as we keep repeating, just the exit deal

What is negotiated during transition is up to the governments we elect over the next years

Calling ordinary voters "thick, racist, fascist" for voting Leave is ridiculous and certainly won't persuade them to change their minds
Calling the current hard right govt such names - and I'd add "vulture capitalist, looters" - is merely telling it as it is

big so you are in Germany but have the best interests at heart for the UK right ok...thanks for that.

Fortunately some of us are on the front line on the business front, and we are feeling pretty bloody punchy between you and me. But hey pretend you give a crap big

Can I just make it crystal clear, not a single leaver will EVER think the WA is Brexit. Not ever. So unless it changes drastically no one from either side is going to vote for it.

ROI (republic of Iraq)

Wonder if that will crop up again .....