Westminstenders: "He's in trouble". No he's not.

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All day I've seen nothing but comments and tweets about he Johnson is in trouble and he's losing it.

They are wrong. He's far from done.

Take a step through the Looking Glass and the world looks different.

Those tweeting and reporting all care about events and are following closely. They are unrepresentative of the population as a whole who don't give two shiny shits.

And so we have the Trump dynamic.

The Liberal elite of broadcasters and journalists who are only seeing through the lens of their own judgement, not from the repackaged marketing.

Instead they are unwittingly publishing the images and slogans in the format Johnson wants and enter the minds of the public as planned.

The media are out of step with perceptions. And that's worrying. They don't see what's coming.

Johnson will have an election at some point. With the Tory party cleansed of moderates it is the Brexit Party one way or another, whether it be by takeover or coalition. And its riding high in the polling.

Even though even his brother has abandoned him, the future looks positive for Johnson as his opponents have a complete lack of self awareness and no understanding of the opposition they are taking on; they are campaigning in a way that plays into the hands of Johnson.

Despite his lack of majority and apparently absence of plan or speech notes, the biggest mistake you can make now is to write off Johnson.

You do so at your own peril.

Pay close attention to how authoritarians work and what's already happened in the US. We are on course to repeat it.

Frankly I'm amazed that Lexiters exist at all. Some of the EU countries seem to me to have more equitable societies than the UK, so I don't see how EU membership is a hindrance to that.

@JustAnotherPoster00

Sorry you are already on it.

Bearbehind, I agree with you about Corbyn and Brexit.
Thats why he never said a word in the last 3 years until now when he had to.

Just because the UK has voted to take a different path, doesn't mean we should be reviled. We still want a relationship with the EU and a relationship with other countries too.

Unfortunately whilst it might be what many people in the UK want, I think alignment with the US (especially Trump's US) is going to completely change the relationship with the UK. It won't be friendly anymore because it won't be possible I'm afraid. Too many competing interests.
Make no mistake we will be part of a bloc but it'll be the US in the driving seat. Don't expect our former partners to be too friendly since we'd have joined the competition. I think we're seeing the end of 20th c politics and alliances.
It's all about the next shift in the world and the move towards 3 competing blocs: China (which may or may not have Russia in its sphere), EU, the US and profound differences in values. We need to come to terms with the implications of our decision. I don't think we have yet...

green is right - with Corbyn and without a clear anti-Brexit stance (which is achievable in reality) Labour are toast in a GE.

I think this is true as the European elections didn't go well for Labour.

There are of course issues with them having an anti-Brexit stance. Not least that Corbyn himself isn't a fan of the EU.

But the conservatives have their own issues.
Brexit isn't an issue that splits on party lines.

Frankly I'm amazed that Lexiters exist at all

Same here, I thought theyd be older members who remembered the YK before membership but theres a few in their 30's on my twitter feed, still dont understand it myself because I've always been Remain but I wonder if thats because I'm welsh and in 1 of the few constituencies that voted Remain in Wales

Corbyn shwed his shallow right-on lefieism recently when he claimed No Deal would be a "Bankers' Brexit," when no one wants Brexit and especially No Deal less than the bankers.

ListeningQuietly, I dont think small bsuinesses who are voting Tories are the only ones pissed off about bankers and investments only done in London.

When I came to the UK, one of the first I was told was that. The noth/south division and how the north was always forgotten. And the small businesses etc... Always in favour of london and the City.
That has been the same woth Tories, Labour, LD voters. It hasnt changed. A lot of people are annoyed at how all the money is centralised in London and politicians dont seem to be able to 'see' there is RELEVANT ! life outside london.

Thank myriade

I honestly don’t see how the argument that a Labour Brexit would be so different to the current mess is any different to the Leavers argument that it’ll all be magical.

This isn’t split along party lines - why add to the complications?

I’ve just been watching C4 news, seems the Tories is really pushing the ‘opposition are scared of an election’ bullshit message - there was a throwaway comment about the Conservative press office sending chicken to the journalists in the press gallery? How childish.

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Corbyn shwed his shallow right-on lefieism recently when he claimed No Deal would be a "Bankers' Brexit," when no one wants Brexit and especially No Deal less than the bankers.

Are you sure? I don't work in the city but know a few people who do. It sounds as if some parts of the City would do very well out of deregulation (and less scrutiny).

@Songsofexperience YY about the 3 spheres (except I would have put Russia first rather than China).
And I know which group I prefer to be part of.

Very Orwellian though.

Agree Corbyn will be annihilated in the next election. There are plenty of remainers who will choose no deal over Corbyn.

Here’s a journalist posting about the Tory press office chicken stunt

twitter.com/guardianheather/status/1169974431550255106?s=21

No, most leave voters will be glad to see the back of the rich bankers who took the HUGE bailout and still pay themselves millions of pounds a year.

Listening I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I phrased that wrong when I said Leave Voters wouldn't care, I meant more what you said. I just don't like people like Greenpeace spouting nonsense about JC possibly causing money to fly out of the UK, when a Tory Brexit is actually really causing that already.

I'm not a believer in trickle down economics or deregulation. I believe in taxes and services and an equitable society. I think small business owners are great, and Boris Johnson and fuck business is a disgrace. I do think banks and hedge funds and whatever else should be taxed properly and people shouldn't be allowed hide their money in them or get away with not paying tax at all. I'm pretty sure there are very very few small business owners that are hiding their money in hedge funds.

I totally understand the anger. I'm just not sure how Brexit will help. The economic crash and bailouts were a global thing, not just EU.

There are plenty of remainers who will choose no deal over Corbyn.
I VERY MUCH doubt that.
Support for no deal is fanned by the NonDom tabloids
but it will evaporate when people vote for "safe"

Katy Balls @katyballs
New: Tonight’s No. 10 meeting: Dominic Cummings told government aides they needed to be ‘cool like fonzies’ - he said that that ‘this is only the beginning’ and the strategy was to wait for others to melt while No10 rachet it up.

Is it possible that Johnson is expecting the EU to reject a further extension request and all this is an elaborate smoke and mirrors exercise where he can absolve himself from blame for the no deal brexit he wants (I asked for a GE, they refused; I told them the Benn bill would block negotiations etc etc)

If the chicken narrative must persist and I'm bored already...

Has Corbyn come out and said yes I'm a delicious British chicken and plan to stay that way - that alright with you Johnson?

Then someone can Photoshop Johnson onto a mangled deformed American chicken. With the tagline Finger lickin good???

There are plenty of remainers who will choose no deal over Corbyn.

I VERY MUCH doubt that.

I suspect it’s actually closer than you think.

I believe we have to go to no deal at some point in order to move on, so the sooner the better so we can deal with the mess.

I’d choose that over Corbyn can kicking on,y to end up exactly where we are now. Although I don’t have that luxury in my constituency

The reality is it’s a choice between

• being much worse off - no deal
• being a lot worse off - WA
• staying the same - revoke

And logic doesn’t play any part in this if you want to Leave.

The chicken thing is so juvenile. It reminds me of something the bully boys would have done at junior school. Christ. And these are the people that run our country.

To go back to a very early point of discussion on this thread, 'to die in a ditch' is a very common expression here in NI. It means 'to stubbornly, almost obtusely stick to one's guns even if one will lose out' (that's my definition not a dictionary one or anything!)

Old Etonians never grow up.

@Bearbehind

Cutting through the waffle in the Labour website it seems he is happier to work with customs union and single market. Which would solve the issues raised with the GFA.

Leavers would say this is not Brexit.