Westminstenders: "He's in trouble". No he's not.

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All day I've seen nothing but comments and tweets about he Johnson is in trouble and he's losing it.

They are wrong. He's far from done.

Take a step through the Looking Glass and the world looks different.

Those tweeting and reporting all care about events and are following closely. They are unrepresentative of the population as a whole who don't give two shiny shits.

And so we have the Trump dynamic.

The Liberal elite of broadcasters and journalists who are only seeing through the lens of their own judgement, not from the repackaged marketing.

Instead they are unwittingly publishing the images and slogans in the format Johnson wants and enter the minds of the public as planned.

The media are out of step with perceptions. And that's worrying. They don't see what's coming.

Johnson will have an election at some point. With the Tory party cleansed of moderates it is the Brexit Party one way or another, whether it be by takeover or coalition. And its riding high in the polling.

Even though even his brother has abandoned him, the future looks positive for Johnson as his opponents have a complete lack of self awareness and no understanding of the opposition they are taking on; they are campaigning in a way that plays into the hands of Johnson.

Despite his lack of majority and apparently absence of plan or speech notes, the biggest mistake you can make now is to write off Johnson.

You do so at your own peril.

Pay close attention to how authoritarians work and what's already happened in the US. We are on course to repeat it.

twitter.com/MrKennethClarke

Heeeerrrrrreeeeeeee's Dom!

As we see again, there are Tory Remainers going nuts, because they'd rather No Deal than bogeyman Corbyn
They want to keep all their money, far more than they care about meds shortages and the poor getting poorer

I never dreamed I would prefer Corbyn over any possible outcome,
but I'd choose him over No Deal

Corbyn will NOT be negotiating the PD - it would be Starmer & co
Starmer isn't dim at all and knows he will have to drop some, or all red lines

Labour policy since the party was formed has been a United Ireland, so an NI backstop wouldn't be a problem to swallow, unlike for the Tory Party Unionists
However, "Brexit for jobs" means SM, which means FOM and ECJ, so it probably would be downgraded to a penalty clause for breaking the deal

I expect a Labour WA would outline a very soft Brexit for the tuture trade deal
No, the PD won't be binding, but a 5-year term leaves enough time to approve a Norway++, if the govt isn't fighting with itself all the time, like the Tories did

Luke McGee @lukemcgee
He’s not taking about Arthur Fonzarelli but Gjertug Bert Fonzies, the Albanian political philosopher who wrote his thesis on the inverted buckaroo theory of politics in 1873. It’s a guiding principle of this government and if you don’t understand it you must be an idiot.

anxiety Well, considering JRM was rolling his eyes and slouching on the benches instead of sitting nicely (which I assume nanny must have told him many times over the years)....

I honestly have no idea how a GE would go. I live in a bubble and nobody seems to cry wolf in my bubble at the thought of JC. My bubble is full of professional people mostly earning decent money for London (“decent money” being, as discussed earlier today an entirely relative concept).
If I had a 45% tax rate for instance it would be a small increase, but well compensated if the university fee of Ds (now y11) were brought back to a sensible figure like many other countries. I’m also personally a fan of subsidised preschool for everybody, means or not means tested. I think many of the class structure handicaps we have actually start already around 2-3 years old, and are terribly difficult and expensive to compensate. Make kids play together before they develop a consciousness of “otherness”, I think I will accept that as a good investment of tax money. Is that a socialist policy or just a common sense one?

Cutting through the waffle in the Labour website it seems he is happier to work with customs union and single market. Which would solve the issues raised with the GFA.

‘Cutting through the waffle’ should not be necessary- all it does is prove it’s all about people’s interpretation of what is on offer, not what has been promised

Labour aren't going to reveal which red lines they are dropping before a GE
and some of them may only be decided once they see what the EU are offering

We can reasonabléy assume it will be a much softer Brexit than the Tories - and won't sell off the NHS or UK farming.
It won't offer the same opportunities for vulture capitalists to get rich

Bear No Deal would destroy the country. A soft Brexit won't
Turn off the Tory paranoia for a moment

Leavers would say this is not Brexit

SOME leavers would say this is not Brexit.
Others would.

BigChoc do you really think the Cons would win 500 seats if a GNU revoked? And how would that be worse than how things are headed already? Are they not on course to win by a large majority anyhow?

I know it's hypothetical. I feel like somebody needs to be a like parent coming in and saying "well you wouldn't stop fighting over the Brexit, so now I'm taking the Brexit away and you can't have it at all".

After the Thatcher years and then the Cameron austerity - not reversed for people at ground zero by May or BJ,
it's high time the better off pay more tax and that the rich pay a damn sight more

The Tory squeals of terror about Corbyn don't make me shed a tear

@Bearbehind

Only trying to help !!!

Apologies won’t bother in future.

ballyhoo There is no superhero coming to save us. No SuperNanny either

There is no magic bullet that is 100% sure to stop a hard right win at the polls

I'm fairly sure that a Revoke would turn a probable Tory working majority win into a massive landslide for them

• and BXP, as they'd have to join with Farage to stop going under

I saw under Thatcher that a huge majority meant the centre and left were powerless to resist the asset-stripping and remaking of the country

It's totally different to just a normal working majority, when the Opposition can sometimes convince enough MPs on the other side to join them in resisting some things

Gjertug Bert Fonzies, the Albanian political philosopher

Why does nothing come up on Google for this guy?

Lewis Goodall@lewis_goodall

Perhaps most incredibly, we end the week with Boris Johnson much closer to leaving office and Jeremy Corbyn much closer to obtaining it.

Leavers would say this is not Brexit

SOME leavers would say this is not Brexit.
Others would.

Sorry ^ that’s what I meant !

I presume this was posted today..but interesting article in the Guardian

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/06/three-questions-general-election-brexit-remain

"Second question: what cuts through? Or, put another way, what’s the signal amid all this noise? For those watching closely, glued to Twitter or following rolling news, the last week has been extraordinary. If they’re not sharing pictures of a languid Jacob Rees-Mogg sprawled on the Commons benches, expressing contempt for parliament in physical form, they’ve been gasping at the gall of a Tory PM purging his party of some of its grandest figures, two ex-chancellors included, and at the remarkable feat of a new prime minister losing his first four Commons votes. But how much of that gets through to the vast bulk of voters, who might catch the odd bit of news on TV, a few headlines on commercial music radio or via Facebook? While your Twitter feed was spitting outraged noise at the culling of Nicholas Soames, it’s possible that the signal was “PM fights hard for Brexit.”
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An example came on Thursday night, when Johnson delivered a rambling speech in front of a phalanx of police cadets, wilting in the sun. In Westminster world, following the entire event live, the focus was on the sinister, Trumpian use of cops as props and on the PM’s bizarre incoherence. But the five-second clip on the Six O’Clock News showed a PM backed by police saying he’d rather be “dead in a ditch” than delay Brexit. Despite the noise, that signal might be all he needed."

Just as has been said on here.

BCF A GNU is far more likely to go for another referendum than revoke.

But if the UK votes in a hard right con/bxp govt, then thats up to them, it's democracy and we have set our path to become like the US.

My mum used to tell me that what happens there, happens here 20 years later.

@Apileofballyhoo

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism

To avoid a hard right landslide, we don't have to satisfy ALL Leavers

There is no satisfying the fanatical No Dealers who want No Deal as revenge, or to tear everything down to rebuild a hard right / hard left dream, or to loot - don't bother engaging with them

However, most Leavers aren't fanatics
Polls indicate that the great majority of them would still choose No Deal over Revoke, but would grudgingly accept the WA, just as many Remainers grudgingly would

If your objection to the WA is that it could be repealed, or that a future govt could ignore the PD,
then you are saying that you would never accept any Brexit, because that holds for any WA anyone could negotiate

Any WA is an exit deal - which is the real reason why many Remainers would hate every possible one presented

Why does nothing come up on Google for this guy?

Probably because he never existed? lol!

The Tory squeals of terror about Corbyn don't make me shed a tear.

Fortunately we don't have to care what you think - we'll just turn up at the polls en masse to vote against him and his thievery

BigChoc I suppose if they are headed for that anyway, but I suppose 500 MPs is worse than 450. I do also wonder what would have happened if Labour had been straight remain in the last election.

But I find it hard to understand why people vote the way they do anyway. It feels to me sometimes that some people equate voting Tory with being superior in some way, or it's out of some kind of fear. But I come from a country where voting was divided on civil war lines rather than class lines, so what do I know? Of course, lots of people vote based on immediate benefits rather than any long term thinking, no matter what country they're in.

I do find the whole vilification of Jeremy Corbyn over the top, Labour's last manifesto seemed fine to me, but he's made out to be an utter crack pot.

There are plenty of remainers who will choose no deal over Corbyn.

Are you sure about this? Because I’m a remainder and a member of the Tory party and I’d vote for Labour with Corbyn as leader in a heartbeat if the other option was a no deal Brexit.

However, most Leavers aren't fanatics

I have to take issue with this.

In my area the vast majority are, they are racist, of low intelligence and over 50 but above all well off.

They hate Corbyn with a vengeance, followed closely by anything that is european, despite holidaying there regularly.

They think Trump is doing a good job and he is right to stop mexicans coming to the US, as they are all criminals because they watched the US documentary "Sicario"

I read the comments on Scott Manns FB page and i just do not believe that i am in some sort of Cornish bubble.