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Westminstenders: "He's in trouble". No he's not.

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RedToothBrush · 06/09/2019 00:48

All day I've seen nothing but comments and tweets about he Johnson is in trouble and he's losing it.

They are wrong. He's far from done.

Take a step through the Looking Glass and the world looks different.

Those tweeting and reporting all care about events and are following closely. They are unrepresentative of the population as a whole who don't give two shiny shits.

And so we have the Trump dynamic.

The Liberal elite of broadcasters and journalists who are only seeing through the lens of their own judgement, not from the repackaged marketing.

Instead they are unwittingly publishing the images and slogans in the format Johnson wants and enter the minds of the public as planned.

The media are out of step with perceptions. And that's worrying. They don't see what's coming.

Johnson will have an election at some point. With the Tory party cleansed of moderates it is the Brexit Party one way or another, whether it be by takeover or coalition. And its riding high in the polling.

Even though even his brother has abandoned him, the future looks positive for Johnson as his opponents have a complete lack of self awareness and no understanding of the opposition they are taking on; they are campaigning in a way that plays into the hands of Johnson.

Despite his lack of majority and apparently absence of plan or speech notes, the biggest mistake you can make now is to write off Johnson.

You do so at your own peril.

Pay close attention to how authoritarians work and what's already happened in the US. We are on course to repeat it.

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Peregrina · 06/09/2019 15:46

That maze picture is more a case of how the tories said it would be vs how it's been so far.

Yes, so they need to adapt it with

Easiest deals in History? With the one on the Right - The Reality.

Peregrina · 06/09/2019 15:48

Would Corbyn go for a CU and Remain in the Single Market? It's still Brexit but it protects the GFA and can be packaged as the Brexit for Jobs.

Most Leavers and Remainers would accept this as a good enough compromise.

DGRossetti · 06/09/2019 15:48

I think Emily Thornberry was the victim of selective editing when being reported ... have you actually heard the full content of what she said ?

SequinnedSlippers · 06/09/2019 15:49

Agree with pps that the very sexualised nicknames are too graphic and heavy-handed.

For the simple reason they could be upsetting to sexual trauma survivors.

DGRossetti · 06/09/2019 15:50

Incidentally, for all the insult of chicken, it's probably excised any reference to chlorinated chicken on google (as indeed it has this thread).

Bearbehind · 06/09/2019 15:50

I don’t know peregrina but that illustrates my point - at this stage we should know what they do want not just what they don’t want.

In that respect they are no better than the Tories.

The only one talking any sense is Rory Stewart who actually acknowledges what is and isn’t possible.

Violetparis · 06/09/2019 15:50

PerkingFaintly thank you Smile

jasjas1973 · 06/09/2019 15:51

The 'bill stopping no deal has been passed by the HoL.

I wonder what plan Johnson has to deal with this?

ListeningQuietly · 06/09/2019 15:53

DGR
Emily Thornbery's point could be edited because it was not succinct.
and unless politicians are clear and succinct, 90% of voters switch off after about six words.
Just get Brexit done is about their limit.

Apileofballyhoo · 06/09/2019 15:54

That maze picture is more a case of how the tories said it would be vs how it's been so far. Easily doctored.

PerkingFaintly · 06/09/2019 15:57

Yes, so they need to adapt it with:
Easiest deals in History? With the one on the Right - The Reality.

Or

LH: What Boris said in 2016
RH: What Boris is doing in 2019 (with exits called "Prorogation", "Calls a GE", "Plays in a farmyard").

Given Johnson still claims to be trying to get a deal, it's perfectly fair to point out how he's failed to do so.

Carpediem1 · 06/09/2019 15:58

Finally caught up! Good thread, as always, Westminstenders. DGR I was just thinking just that. Are the "chicken" jibes a deliberate attempt to push the US chlorinated chicken references further down Google search results?

DGRossetti · 06/09/2019 16:00

SequinnedSlippers

With all due respect, something can always be upsetting to someone.

I'm probably an oddball, but I don't believe in spells and magic words, and prefer to hear what someone is saying, and what they mean by it than obsess over the exact wording first. Otherwise we could end up in the situation where a school burns down, because a pupil runs into a class shouting "FIRE !" only to receive an hours lecture on how that word might be offensive to the recently unemployed.

I know Reginald D. Hunter can be a bit Marmite, but he does justify his use of language with some very pointed and valid observations in my humble opinion.

DGRossetti · 06/09/2019 16:01

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Westminstenders: "He's in trouble". No he's not.
RedToothBrush · 06/09/2019 16:03

^^

I'm expecting something along these lines, or something featuring Trump or Cummings at some point.

Re the maze poster, some has pointed out that despite how simple it's supposed to be to leave the EU, the government haven't managed it yet.

When asked where the backstop was it got edited like this

Westminstenders: "He's in trouble". No he's not.
Westminstenders: "He's in trouble". No he's not.
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JustAnotherPoster00 · 06/09/2019 16:08

Corbyn has been clear from the start on 2 things since the referendum, No Deal had to be off the table and he wanted a jobs first Brexit and that means a SM/CU deal, its only since around Feb/March the PV at all costs and the Remain against a Tory Deal/No Deal

But I've noticed it with a lot of political commentators certainly on the state broadcaster that its always 'I dont understand your position on Brexit' - Fuck off youre a political commentator its your job to know, so its really starting to come across as disingenuous

DGRossetti · 06/09/2019 16:08

Re Chickens, Im not sure of that one. Attacking Corbyn personally didn't really resonant at the last election with the people it was targeting and I'm not convinced it will now either. It only really works with people with the mindset who dislike Corbyn anyway as a funny joke to be shared.

As I say, it's displaced any discussion about the US forcing chlorinated chicken into the UK.

Basilpots · 06/09/2019 16:10

Problem for the Tory’s is they have nothing apart from attack Corbyn.

That’s it.

ListeningQuietly · 06/09/2019 16:10

justanother
Except Corbyn has NOT been clear.
Because his plans for re-nationalisation cannot be done within the Single Market ......

JustAnotherPoster00 · 06/09/2019 16:11

If the Tories got a quarter of the scrutiny Labour gets and if theyd have had that sort of scrutiny since 2015 the narratives right now would be so much different to what we have now

ListeningQuietly · 06/09/2019 16:14

Indeed, but the offshore owned UK press has vested interests in keeping the Tories in power
and once the UK leaves the EU the chances of tighter regulation diminish even further

Hoooo · 06/09/2019 16:15

Ffs.
Out all day.
Can anyone precis what's been happening???

Havanananana · 06/09/2019 16:15

Thankfully it is not just Conservative Central Office that has access to photoshop:

Westminstenders: "He's in trouble". No he's not.
Violetparis · 06/09/2019 16:16

I think Labour have effective social media bods when it comes to remastering Tory posters/front pages. Hopefully some are watching this thread.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/09/2019 16:16

"If everyone wants it to just go away, Revoke is the only way."

We know that
Most of the public - including Remainers do not

So "everyone who wants it to just go away" will vote Tory / Brex