Westminstenders: "He's in trouble". No he's not.

[RedToothBrush]

All day I've seen nothing but comments and tweets about he Johnson is in trouble and he's losing it.

They are wrong. He's far from done.

Take a step through the Looking Glass and the world looks different.

Those tweeting and reporting all care about events and are following closely. They are unrepresentative of the population as a whole who don't give two shiny shits.

And so we have the Trump dynamic.

The Liberal elite of broadcasters and journalists who are only seeing through the lens of their own judgement, not from the repackaged marketing.

Instead they are unwittingly publishing the images and slogans in the format Johnson wants and enter the minds of the public as planned.

The media are out of step with perceptions. And that's worrying. They don't see what's coming.

Johnson will have an election at some point. With the Tory party cleansed of moderates it is the Brexit Party one way or another, whether it be by takeover or coalition. And its riding high in the polling.

Even though even his brother has abandoned him, the future looks positive for Johnson as his opponents have a complete lack of self awareness and no understanding of the opposition they are taking on; they are campaigning in a way that plays into the hands of Johnson.

Despite his lack of majority and apparently absence of plan or speech notes, the biggest mistake you can make now is to write off Johnson.

You do so at your own peril.

Pay close attention to how authoritarians work and what's already happened in the US. We are on course to repeat it.

Belated ta red

Much ❤ to anyone whose gone through PIP it's utter bullshit and the assessors are heartless fucks.

If people just want it all over and done with, surely Revoke is the only solution that achieves this.

We know that No Deal is far from the end of it all; even WA is the start. The only option that stops "all this" in its tracks is Revoke.

I was going to write similar to you, Tanith. If everyone wants it to just go away, Revoke is the only way.

I have not had the opportunity to read all of this quick moving thread but the opening post really resonated for me and I am very worried about the implications!

I live in a very very liberal elite bubble but one where a number of close friends/colleagues are first generation liberal elite as it were. We are therefore conscious that when we go home there are whole swathes of childhood friends and family members who do not care that they have been lied to - asked outright whether they would vote leave now they know about the lies, they simply answer yes. They do not care that people they see as liberals will suffer from brexit when they have seen themselves suffering for years (talking old mining/industrial heartlands here); and they resent liberal southerners 'educating' then on how they are wrong - in fact it makes them more stubborn. I know people who have had to mute their own family on social media because they can't square their affection for family with complete disagreement from the views they are sharing, and they don't want to open their family up to ridicule from their friends by commenting on a family members post and thus drawing attention to it via friends of friends visibility.

On the flip side, I have silenced some of my friends and families because, despite sharing their end views, I can't cope with the tone deafness with which they are hectoring leaver voters without any recognition that their methods will it close the divisions. And because they keep rolling out the whole ' wouldn't it be great if the Queen stepped in' type arguments, which annoys me as a historian because there are very good reasons why the queen can't do all the things they want her to do! (And these are supposedly well educated, well read individuals...).

Above all else, I hate how divided we have become as a country, over several decades at least but really thrown into relief in the last few years. And I can't see how this is and them mentality within the country can be overcome now it is increasingly entrenched and aggressive.

Not sure if that makes much sense but it is cathartic to get it out there!

I don't want a PV either, and still waiting for those who strongly advocate it to provide specific detail.

JasperRising I could have written your post . I'm originally from a North East ex mining area and now live in Manchester. I have Leave voting family and Remain voting friends. I feel worn down by the division and nastiness on both sides of the debate.

That advert poster! Genuine Thanks for sharing that Red. I know I'm in the minority on Westministenders but purely from my own POV, I have to say whoever has designed that has really earned their money.

I absolutely know that the reality isn't that simple, and that it's what comes after the "Leave the EU" that makes it so complex, but the message is simple and that's what matters.

If I glanced at that, say heading down an escalator on the Tube, I'd know in seconds exactly what it's message was and what it's author wanted me to do having seen it.

Stupid poster really as if it was that simple, the Tories would have negotiated us out of the EU long ago .

I'm a Remainer and will probably vote Lib Dem. But as a farmer I take my hat off to BJ for walking the bull across the farm yard. It was great electioneering.

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It is remarkable that the chances of a Johnson resignation are climbing. If it happened one of the underappreciated consequences of the mass whip removal is that the Tory\DUP bloc is now smaller than anti-no deal Lab led bloc. So the Queen couldn’t call for a Tory.

So she would have to ask Corbyn I'm guessing? Oh thats delicious

Violetparis it's tough and wearing isn't it

I don't feel it as bad as some as at least I have similar opinions to my parents but I am seeing my DH and friends struggle to come to terms with suddenly feeling like they are ideologically strangers to their own parents; that their parents are supporting a course of action that will damage the lives and livelihoods of their friends; and that their friends are contemptuous of their parents viewpoints. It is little wonder that many of us try to talk of other things (even though I know that being worn down by it all is what Farage etc would like)

That poster is already been used in replies to Jeremy Corbyn's latest tweet, the propaganda is working.

One of the opposition parties needs to doctor that advert to show what no deal means as - we know - it's not 'just' leaving.

Agree with the tone deafness of remain throughout. Person to person talking seems to have gone out the window.

Having conversations with leaver friends this wk over medication. They get painfully awkward or upset....Leave was meant to cause issues for those people over there that we don't know not factual human beings that we care about. It's quite destressing to see them upset...also very confusing!

Resisting the urge to ask "WHAT DID YOU THINK WOULD HAPPEN?!" or "is this what you wanted your vote to mean?" And instead go for the tory dig - you know what Tories are like any excuse to screw us over as much as they can. Firm agreement all round. (Don't do facts or specifics our friends dont like facts and specifics...)

Theyre also running this right now

Thank you JasperRising

I love that one just. But not for what the Tories want but because it makes JC look pretty cool.

I'm clinging on to the hope that the majority of the public will not like the nasty tone of a Dominic Cummings led general election campaign. The opposition parties need to urgently work together on electoral pacts.

At the last election, although I am no fan of Corbyn, the way the press went on and on against him, made me more sympathetic towards him.

Amused just now watching cows prance away from BJ in his tie and wellies. That bull didn't look too impressed st being led around by him. Shane he didn't assume he was a matador and charge.
It's posts like yours that illustrate Red's OP perfectly.

I'm sure the public will love the election-dodging old coward so much more on the second try!

I'm not sure the chicken thing is really going to work.
Corbyn isn't someone I have much time for but he really isn't someone who backs out of situations.
The diagram is much more effective. Total nonsense but effective.
There needs to be a counter diagram highlighting that after leaving without a deal there is a sea of chaos. Walking out is the easy part.

If Johnson resigns and the alliance forms a government of national unity, what would happen if they revoked A50?

I think we're should start using 'allies' a lot. Rebel alliance is good, but maybe the 'Allies' would be better.

I'd revoke and make the Tories hold another referendum after they get in. They can always revoke with great regret and sadness that Tory bullshit created the mess, Tory bungling prevented a good deal being sorted, and then the Tories ran away from it. They can say we never wanted it, we never campaigned for it, and we're not doing it for the Tories. Revoke and have a general election, and have nothing to do with Brexit. Go all out and say they don't respect the result of a referendum that was based on lies and manipulation and throw a gauntlet down to have another one based on reality and what's actually best for the people of the country. Pass some other legislation saying referendums have to be passed by a super majority like FTPA.

How would that be worse than the current shitshow?

So if the allies dropped revoked A50, and the Cons got in with a huge majority, what would they do? How would it be worse than the current possibilities?

Brexit will not go away if we revoke.

It will become the issue of every general election for the next generation. I can guarantee one side or the other will be promising to leave the EU. It would take a huge shift in mindset for it to go away unresolved...and if anything, I think the reverse is happening.

It's ridiculous. Five years ago the vast majority of the population didn't give a shiny shit about the EU. Now it's tearing the country apart.