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Westminstenders: Skullduggery Fatigue

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RedToothBrush · 04/09/2019 22:19

A recap as best I can

Johnson-Cummings wanted an election. Their entire strategy was based on getting one before 31st Oct to get a majority to force No Deal through and retain power for 5 years.

They protested they didn't. They poked and tried to provoke and outrage in order to get one

But the trap was spotted.

The Commons instead voted to give power to parliament to control the timetable in order to try and block no deal.

This came at a high price for 21 Tory rebels who have been kicked out of the party ungraciously and without an ounce of the respect that the HoC usually demands despite differences of opinion and its pantomime jeers.

This combined with Johnson's prorogation (and what seems to be lying to the Queen in order to get her consent if the Cherry case to block prorogation seems to be suggesting) has shocked and enraged Tory 'moderates'.

Johnson under estimated the size of the rebellion and his threat to deselect seemed to spur on rebels rather than deter them, as it made them perceive Johnson as a threat to democracy and the constitution more than if he'd taken a softer line.

He also seems to have underestimated the internal reaction amongst those who remained loyal to the party. One MP is on record saying Johnson can't take his vote for granted. At the 1922 committee MPs who stood up for the rebels were cheered whilst those who stood up for government jeered. Johnson blamed his whip for the expulsions rather than take responsibility himself which again hasn't gone down well. The chair of the One Nation Tories Damien Green has written to the PM demanding their reinstatement so all is definitely not well. Johnson has ploughed on with the selection of the rebels replacements nonetheless. The idea was to strengthen Johnson and end the internal tory civil war but his heavy handed approach doesn't seem to have settled matters yet at least. Tonight Caroline Spelman joined the rebellion but hasn't been expelled from the party, which makes last nights hard line look even worse.

The bill to block no deal passed the Commons and has gone to the lords. The Kinnock Amendment to try and return May's deal passed in an act of government skullduggery designed to sink the bill completely but thus does not seem to have paid off and may yet provide an emergency escape route from no deal. It highlights the extent Johnson will use dirty tricks.

Tonight the vote was for a GE. Under the Fixed Term Parliament Act the government needed 2/3rds of parliament to trigger one.

Labour, figuring it was a trap, havent bitten. Instead they have made preconditions to triggering one.

This scuppers Johnson's plan and its not clear where we go from here. Johnson us a lame duck but has the power of the PM's office.

He can create a vision that it's the people v parliament to help him for when we do have a GE which is now all but inevitable. This is dangerous.

But no deal is dangerous too.

The stakes are high.

Hopefully the no deal bill will pass the lords though may be hampered all weekend by filibustering.

It returns to the Commons on Monday where it needs to pass.

Then we are expecting prorogation to commence.

For Johnson who needed a GE on the 15th, Monday is his last day to trigger it. Expect more dirty tricks but he's running out of options

Come mid October the pressure for a deal will ramp up on Johnson. No deal is still the default but he will have to be seen to be doing something, not just blaming everyone else and taking no responsibility himself.

Will prorogation go ahead in these circumstances? It's now open to debate...

Johnson-Cummings strategy still could work, but it's substantially weakened and now Johnson will have to do something more radical and possibly illegal to get his own way.

And that General Election before the fall out if No Deal is still his ultimate goal as its his gateway to retain power...

... Expect even more fireworks to come.

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Peregrina · 07/09/2019 09:38

Soames v. Rees-Mogg.

Well you see, Soames is really posh and has the genuine Churchillian pedigree. Whereas with Rees-Mogg, his father was Trade. i.e. ran a newspaper.

ContinuityError · 07/09/2019 09:41

Peregrina it was the Kinnock amendment to the Benn Bill, wasn’t it? It got voted through.

Triglesoffy · 07/09/2019 09:42

I want to know if Her Maj made Boris sleep in a separate bedroom to Carrie at balmoral, seeing as he is still married to someone else.

JeSuisPoulet · 07/09/2019 09:43

I bet JRM is spitting chicken feathers reading that over his boiled egg this morning Wink
A the poultry attempts at comedy out of the mayhem Grin

JeSuisPoulet · 07/09/2019 09:46

Typing not up to scratch due to Wine last night I suspect.
Off out for an hour or two so catch up on the new thread.
If anyone missed it on the old one, it is I, LonelyTiredand Low (btw where is LeClerc?). Keep then hen house warm for me Wink

Peregrina · 07/09/2019 09:47

TisILeClerc was having a rest, but I wish he would come back.

BigChocFrenzy · 07/09/2019 09:51

As stand-in for red, new Westministenders thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3685808-Westministenders-Is-Boris-going-to-give-us-one?watched=1

PerkingFaintly · 07/09/2019 10:50

Eek, I thought there was already a new Westminstenders thread! Now quite long! But perhaps it was an offshoot.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3684820-Westminstenders-Hes-in-trouble-No-hes-not?pg=1

In fact that one's so long it's not long to run, so maybe co-ordinate and redirect from that one back to your new thread, BigChoc?

PerkingFaintly · 07/09/2019 10:52

Sorry, that sounded bossy.Blush

As you were.

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