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Westminstenders: Skullduggery Fatigue

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RedToothBrush · 04/09/2019 22:19

A recap as best I can

Johnson-Cummings wanted an election. Their entire strategy was based on getting one before 31st Oct to get a majority to force No Deal through and retain power for 5 years.

They protested they didn't. They poked and tried to provoke and outrage in order to get one

But the trap was spotted.

The Commons instead voted to give power to parliament to control the timetable in order to try and block no deal.

This came at a high price for 21 Tory rebels who have been kicked out of the party ungraciously and without an ounce of the respect that the HoC usually demands despite differences of opinion and its pantomime jeers.

This combined with Johnson's prorogation (and what seems to be lying to the Queen in order to get her consent if the Cherry case to block prorogation seems to be suggesting) has shocked and enraged Tory 'moderates'.

Johnson under estimated the size of the rebellion and his threat to deselect seemed to spur on rebels rather than deter them, as it made them perceive Johnson as a threat to democracy and the constitution more than if he'd taken a softer line.

He also seems to have underestimated the internal reaction amongst those who remained loyal to the party. One MP is on record saying Johnson can't take his vote for granted. At the 1922 committee MPs who stood up for the rebels were cheered whilst those who stood up for government jeered. Johnson blamed his whip for the expulsions rather than take responsibility himself which again hasn't gone down well. The chair of the One Nation Tories Damien Green has written to the PM demanding their reinstatement so all is definitely not well. Johnson has ploughed on with the selection of the rebels replacements nonetheless. The idea was to strengthen Johnson and end the internal tory civil war but his heavy handed approach doesn't seem to have settled matters yet at least. Tonight Caroline Spelman joined the rebellion but hasn't been expelled from the party, which makes last nights hard line look even worse.

The bill to block no deal passed the Commons and has gone to the lords. The Kinnock Amendment to try and return May's deal passed in an act of government skullduggery designed to sink the bill completely but thus does not seem to have paid off and may yet provide an emergency escape route from no deal. It highlights the extent Johnson will use dirty tricks.

Tonight the vote was for a GE. Under the Fixed Term Parliament Act the government needed 2/3rds of parliament to trigger one.

Labour, figuring it was a trap, havent bitten. Instead they have made preconditions to triggering one.

This scuppers Johnson's plan and its not clear where we go from here. Johnson us a lame duck but has the power of the PM's office.

He can create a vision that it's the people v parliament to help him for when we do have a GE which is now all but inevitable. This is dangerous.

But no deal is dangerous too.

The stakes are high.

Hopefully the no deal bill will pass the lords though may be hampered all weekend by filibustering.

It returns to the Commons on Monday where it needs to pass.

Then we are expecting prorogation to commence.

For Johnson who needed a GE on the 15th, Monday is his last day to trigger it. Expect more dirty tricks but he's running out of options

Come mid October the pressure for a deal will ramp up on Johnson. No deal is still the default but he will have to be seen to be doing something, not just blaming everyone else and taking no responsibility himself.

Will prorogation go ahead in these circumstances? It's now open to debate...

Johnson-Cummings strategy still could work, but it's substantially weakened and now Johnson will have to do something more radical and possibly illegal to get his own way.

And that General Election before the fall out if No Deal is still his ultimate goal as its his gateway to retain power...

... Expect even more fireworks to come.

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Rhubarbisevil · 05/09/2019 11:42

Sinking ship...

Rhubarbisevil · 05/09/2019 11:42

🐀🐀🐀🐀🐀🐀🐀🐀🐀🐀

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2019 11:43

Alex Wickham @alexwickham
At least they got the Sun splash

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RedToothBrush · 05/09/2019 11:45

Laura Kuenssberg@bbclaurak
blimey PM’s brother quits with concern about what’s going on

Absolutely astonishing twist - one tory insider texts to say ‘he’s killed him’

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RedToothBrush · 05/09/2019 11:47

Do you remember the day Gove stabbed Johnson in the back to stand for the leadership because he thought Johnson wasn't suited to the job?

Well Gove now is starting to look no longer looks like a backstabbing cunt but an astitute judge of character...

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DGRossetti · 05/09/2019 11:47

Are we at the "Boris throws Cummings under a bus" stage yet ?

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2019 11:47

Ian Birrel @ianbirrel
Just imagine being @MattHancock, @AmberRuddHR or @NickyMorgan01 now - knowing you have sold your soul to Boris Johnson as he sacrifices the country and party

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OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 05/09/2019 11:48

Always nice to see an MP quitting to spend less time with his family.

I'll get my coat.

DGRossetti · 05/09/2019 11:48

Well Gove now is starting to look no longer looks like a backstabbing cunt but an astitute judge of character...

Other peoples, maybe. He hasn't twigged what a cunt he is yet.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 05/09/2019 11:48

If I were Cummings I would be packing...

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2019 11:48

Are we at the "Boris throws Cummings under a bus" stage yet ?

Nope.

But please let it be a No 350.

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DGRossetti · 05/09/2019 11:49

There are still a few unbarking dogs, too Grin

It's like Downfall. Without the laughs.

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2019 11:50

Always nice to see an MP quitting to spend less time with his family.

Grin

Love it!

Robert Peston@peston
It is wholly unsurprising that @JoJohnsonUK is standing down at looming election; he told colleagues how upset he was at purging of Tory MPs like @JustineGreening and Ken Clarke, to whom he is closer politically in many ways than to his brother, especially on Brexit

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Grinchly · 05/09/2019 11:50

Hahaha. Johnson minor stepping down to spend less time with his familyGrin
Can't claim credit for that - labour m e p quoted on Guardian blog.

OublietteBravo · 05/09/2019 11:50

At this rate Theresa May’s government will actually look strong and stable in retrospect.

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2019 11:52

Margot James @margotjames
If I thought my decision had been difficult it was nothing compared to yours @JoJohnsonUK I am utterly humbled by your action and statement today

Conor Burns MP @conorburnuk
Jo was an excellent Minister. He did so much more than occupy the role and accept any lines given to him by officials. He was a delight to work for. A genuine loss to public life

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Grinchly · 05/09/2019 11:53

Oops cross posted.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 05/09/2019 11:54

I'm only good for the obvious gags Grin

DarlingNikita · 05/09/2019 11:55

It's a pity about Jo Johnson, Hammond et al. And a scandal, of course.
But removing the whip from KEN CLARKE???!! Hmm Isn't that like firing God?

Allington · 05/09/2019 11:55
Grin
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Allington · 05/09/2019 11:56

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thecatfromjapan · 05/09/2019 11:59

Are we at the stage yet where we can start tentatively humming: 'The wheels on your bus are falling off'?

With additional verses of: 'The people on the streets shout, 'Out, out, out,' ' and 'The people on the bus shout, 'Let me off!''?

thecatfromjapan · 05/09/2019 12:00

I guess we'll know it's safe to sing when it's announced Cumming's surgery has become urgent.

howabout · 05/09/2019 12:02

Jo helping out with Operation Janus - signal to Brexit Party ex Tories how Brexity Boris is and signal to moderate Tories in Remain seats with Remain Tory MPs (are there any left?) that they need to vote Tory to save Amber / Nicky / Damian Green / Theresa / anyone else left?

Remember what an "asset" Rachel was to Change UK?

Guessing operation rehab for the sacrificial lambs happens after Brexit is done. It is too late for Gove to force a reverse without destroying Tory Party along with Boris.

DGRossetti · 05/09/2019 12:02

I wonder what the 1922 committee make of all this ?