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Westminstenders: Skullduggery Fatigue

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RedToothBrush · 04/09/2019 22:19

A recap as best I can

Johnson-Cummings wanted an election. Their entire strategy was based on getting one before 31st Oct to get a majority to force No Deal through and retain power for 5 years.

They protested they didn't. They poked and tried to provoke and outrage in order to get one

But the trap was spotted.

The Commons instead voted to give power to parliament to control the timetable in order to try and block no deal.

This came at a high price for 21 Tory rebels who have been kicked out of the party ungraciously and without an ounce of the respect that the HoC usually demands despite differences of opinion and its pantomime jeers.

This combined with Johnson's prorogation (and what seems to be lying to the Queen in order to get her consent if the Cherry case to block prorogation seems to be suggesting) has shocked and enraged Tory 'moderates'.

Johnson under estimated the size of the rebellion and his threat to deselect seemed to spur on rebels rather than deter them, as it made them perceive Johnson as a threat to democracy and the constitution more than if he'd taken a softer line.

He also seems to have underestimated the internal reaction amongst those who remained loyal to the party. One MP is on record saying Johnson can't take his vote for granted. At the 1922 committee MPs who stood up for the rebels were cheered whilst those who stood up for government jeered. Johnson blamed his whip for the expulsions rather than take responsibility himself which again hasn't gone down well. The chair of the One Nation Tories Damien Green has written to the PM demanding their reinstatement so all is definitely not well. Johnson has ploughed on with the selection of the rebels replacements nonetheless. The idea was to strengthen Johnson and end the internal tory civil war but his heavy handed approach doesn't seem to have settled matters yet at least. Tonight Caroline Spelman joined the rebellion but hasn't been expelled from the party, which makes last nights hard line look even worse.

The bill to block no deal passed the Commons and has gone to the lords. The Kinnock Amendment to try and return May's deal passed in an act of government skullduggery designed to sink the bill completely but thus does not seem to have paid off and may yet provide an emergency escape route from no deal. It highlights the extent Johnson will use dirty tricks.

Tonight the vote was for a GE. Under the Fixed Term Parliament Act the government needed 2/3rds of parliament to trigger one.

Labour, figuring it was a trap, havent bitten. Instead they have made preconditions to triggering one.

This scuppers Johnson's plan and its not clear where we go from here. Johnson us a lame duck but has the power of the PM's office.

He can create a vision that it's the people v parliament to help him for when we do have a GE which is now all but inevitable. This is dangerous.

But no deal is dangerous too.

The stakes are high.

Hopefully the no deal bill will pass the lords though may be hampered all weekend by filibustering.

It returns to the Commons on Monday where it needs to pass.

Then we are expecting prorogation to commence.

For Johnson who needed a GE on the 15th, Monday is his last day to trigger it. Expect more dirty tricks but he's running out of options

Come mid October the pressure for a deal will ramp up on Johnson. No deal is still the default but he will have to be seen to be doing something, not just blaming everyone else and taking no responsibility himself.

Will prorogation go ahead in these circumstances? It's now open to debate...

Johnson-Cummings strategy still could work, but it's substantially weakened and now Johnson will have to do something more radical and possibly illegal to get his own way.

And that General Election before the fall out if No Deal is still his ultimate goal as its his gateway to retain power...

... Expect even more fireworks to come.

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Camomila · 05/09/2019 11:18

What is GNU please? I couldn't find it on the abbreviations thread.

So many resignations! I'm especially curious about mid-sussex next election. Maybe lib dem, lots of my friends (early 30s) have been priced out of Brighton and now live in places like Burgess Hill or Haywards Heath.

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2019 11:21

Britain elects @britainelects
Luciana Berger MP (Liverpool Wavertree) is to join the Liberal Democrats.

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DGRossetti · 05/09/2019 11:22

Whilst I am still of the same mind regarding the FTPA - that in hindsight it wasn't a great idea - I must admit that right now, in this very moment, it's actually doing exactly what it was intended to do. It's forcing Boris to be held to account - albeit with very bad grace - and given the opposition a weapon they never had before. One which we hope will be used wisely.

I really, really, really, really really want to believe that somewhere, Nick Clegg made a quick call to Boris, just to laugh.

I also like the idea of #CleggsRevenge trending. Although some may mistake it for a new craft ale.

prettybird · 05/09/2019 11:22

Jo Johnson has resigned again citing the inability to reconcile family and ethical (?) responsibilities.

Awks Wink

PestyMachtubernahme · 05/09/2019 11:23

Gnu government of national unity, usually reserved for wars and the such like

DGRossetti · 05/09/2019 11:23

Government of
National
Unity

prettybird · 05/09/2019 11:24

Dh has read his tweet out again: unable to reconcile family loyalty and the national interest.

And he's resigning as an MP Shock

LouiseCollins28 · 05/09/2019 11:24

Luciana Berger's Off!! Grin To the Lib Dems!

www.libdemvoice.org/breakingluciana-berger-joins-the-liberal-democrats-61944.html

Penny for the thoughts of Mr Richard Kemp. Putative LD Candidate for Liverpool Wavertree until this morning, ouch.

DarkAtEndOfUK · 05/09/2019 11:24

This loss of people prepared to think for themselves and bring alternative viewpoints is awful. It would be great if they were forming new parties and breaking the stranglehold of 1 or 2 lines, but just leaving leaves us all the poorer. One thing I always liked about the Greens is that they refused to whip until trans rights came in.

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 05/09/2019 11:25

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Apileofballyhoo · 05/09/2019 11:25

Jo Johnson torn between family loyalty and the national interest. Stepping down. Wow.

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2019 11:25

Paul Brand@paulbranditv
Interesting surge in people registering to vote in recent days.

Senior Labour and Lib Dem sources have told me they’re hopeful of a ‘youthquake’ of support among young remainers. In fact, they’re banking on it. But youthquake in 2017 was overstated.

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/04/more-than-100000-people-apply-register-vote-youth-uk-general-election?__twitter_impression=true
More than 100,000 apply to register to vote in UK in 48 hours
Young people make up bulk of new applications, with Britain poised for snap general election

*checks calendar and ponders what happens in September...

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RedToothBrush · 05/09/2019 11:27

On that note, a GE on 14th Oct and student registration might prove more difficult. An election in Nov favours the student vote more...

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Sarahlou63 · 05/09/2019 11:27

Even his brother can't support him. The better Johnson brother steps down.

DGRossetti · 05/09/2019 11:28

On that note, a GE on 14th Oct and student registration might prove more difficult.

Over 18 students should be registered at their parents ?

thecatfromjapan · 05/09/2019 11:29

Just thought I'd post the Jo Johnson tweet for all those not on Twitter.

Westminstenders: Skullduggery Fatigue
MockersthefeMANist · 05/09/2019 11:30

Maybe the Right Johnson should get together with the Right Miliband?

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 05/09/2019 11:33

I prefer JJ over his brother, I am not surprised he has gone. DC is driving moderate Tories away. When people like Nick Soames and Roger Gale sounds like moderate voices something has gone badly wrong.

thecatfromjapan · 05/09/2019 11:33

You know, it's worth repeating that this would all be so gripping and enjoyable if only it were a television series, rather than something I actually have to live through and o which I have to bear the consequences. 🤷‍♀️

Camomila · 05/09/2019 11:35

Thanks!

I'm feeling a bit sorry for Boris Johnson's dad now.

prettybird · 05/09/2019 11:37

Does anyone think that Nicky Morgan or Amber Rudd might follow his example?

Nicky Morgan looked particularly miserable yesterday on the Front Bench.

RedToothBrush · 05/09/2019 11:39

Nothing say you are in trouble and being a tosser like your loyalist brother kicking you in the nads.

Good for Jo Johnson!

(and no I don't feel for his dad)

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GCAcademic · 05/09/2019 11:39

There is not going to be a single moderate left in the Tory party at this rate, other than those (like my MP) who are willing to swallow their principles for the sake of their careers, and therefore may as well be far right.

The university sector is now looking at having its fifth Minister in the space of four years. Annoyingly, the one before Jo Johnson was the only decent one to date. But he was shoved aside so that BJ could make a nepotistic appointment.

Rhubarbisevil · 05/09/2019 11:40

Johnson Senior created Boris so I have no sympathy for the man. Rachel Johnson told a story how their parents were having lunch in Paris and left the kids to make their own way across the channel and back to their boarding schools on their own. Gaw, fings wos diffrent in the 70s innit?

bellinisurge · 05/09/2019 11:41

Fucking hell! My "I don't want to talk about this shitstorm it's stressing me out" dh has just messaged me.

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