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Westminstenders: The House Is On Fire

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RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 13:01

Have we walked into a trap or has the trap shut on the fingers of Johnson?

To early to tell but we have entered an All or Nothing Game.

Johnson seems to have been advised his only way out is a GE - the polls look decent to him. Yet the FTPA means he can not call one without parliaments consent.

He has tried to spook Tory MPs to his will by threatening de-selection. Yet this seemed to have backfired in combination with proroguing and fired up rebels and moderates.

This might still be deliberate though to remove the road block of an internal civil war in the Tory Party. In cleansing moderates though they become the Brexit Party...

... And Spreadsheet Phil has vowed to fight to the last for his party from entryists and non members like Cummings. After first getting support of his local association.

Tonight sees a vote at around 9pm, which is touted as a pseudo no confidence vote.

If this block no deal then tomorrow we face a big day. It looks like there are numbers to do this.

Rebels are looking to seize control of parliamentary time (which might affect prorogation timetable). This is a beefed up version of the previous attempt to do this.

This is around 3pm - 7pm tomorrow.

No 10 has a spad meeting at 7pm, which presumably is about fallout from that vote - and if it goes against government will probably be about trying to force an election.

If he can.

Labour now have leverage though. They can make demands and insist they are in law before agreeing to a GE on Johnson's terms.

Which perhaps makes a GE less likely than the BBC seem to think.

There is talk of trying to force another extension to 31st Jan. I'm not entirely sure how this helps, without a legitimate goal of a deal that goes with it. All it does is push things even more polarised.

And that's my fear. The issue of Brexit isn't going away. No deal, a deal and remaining all leave significant numbers highly dissatisfied. Its hard to see a way out of this without unrest because its been pushed so hard in a polarising way.

If Johnson fails to no deal or to deal on his terms where does this push Farage sympathisers?

We shall see what happens...

... Will the House's independence survive until Nov 5th?

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prettybird · 03/09/2019 16:32

BlowJobCum was rattled by Soubry's question Grin

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 03/09/2019 16:32

Oooohhh he did not like that question from Anna Soubry, very flustered.

DGRossetti · 03/09/2019 16:32

Ian Dunt now referring to Hammond as the Tory Che Guevara.

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Lisette1940 · 03/09/2019 16:32

Can we have wine? I know it's mid-week but I've had a cold and it's a national emergency too Grin

Peregrina · 03/09/2019 16:33

I hadn't heard of them either.

I suspect that Lee is still really an old fashioned Conservative, but one towards the more liberal wing. All parties had shades of opinion where some were at one end of the spectrum and some more to the middle, but now the Tory party has completely lurched to the extreme right.

I am sure that Philip Lee will represent a lot of the more moderate Tories.

woman19 · 03/09/2019 16:34

@IanDunt
On presentation: This is disastrous. And importantly, it a disaster in exactly the area in which Tory members thought he would succeed: charisma, confidence, 'optimism'.

Is it the setting? He's ideal for the after-dinner circuit. He is elevated by the laughter and the admiration. But the Commons is a bear pit. You'll get fuck all of that here. It seems to be sucking the lifeblood from him.

He seems shattered already.

Jason118 · 03/09/2019 16:34

I'm at work, I'm not missing anything am I? 😁

RedToothBrush · 03/09/2019 16:34

I fucking LOVE Phillip Lee

Jessica Elgot@jessicaelgot
The chair of the LGBT Lib Dems has resigned in protest of Philip Lee's acceptance into the party

Good. This is Fab news!!!

I'm delighted.

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DGRossetti · 03/09/2019 16:34
Grin
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MockersthefeMANist · 03/09/2019 16:36

So it looks like being World King isn't half as much fun as he thought.

DGRossetti · 03/09/2019 16:36

On presentation: This is disastrous. And importantly, it a disaster in exactly the area in which Tory members thought he would succeed: charisma, confidence, 'optimism'

This is what happens when you desperately try and keep someone on a tight leash and well away from enemy fire. Which I believe was Dominic Cummings masterplan ?

woman19 · 03/09/2019 16:37

Imagine if Allied war effort against the last lot of Nazis failed because of arguments about men in dresses.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 16:37

The other set of lies - lying to a court is more serious

QC Aidan O'Neill says court 'actively misled' over prorogation plan

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-scotland-49564240/qc-aidan-o-neill-says-court-actively-misled-over-prorogation-plan

Aidan O'Neill, the Lawyer for those challenging the prorogation move, highlighted a document dated 15 August containing proposals to shut parliament in September.

He told the Court of Session in Edinburgh:
"That appears to be developing government policy as of 15 August, but this court was told nothing of that and was told in fact that this judicial review is academic, hypothetical and premature.

"That is not true. This court and these petitioners were being actively misled."

woman19 · 03/09/2019 16:39

BCF is there any chance of subsequent court cases for contempt?

TokyoSushi · 03/09/2019 16:39

I just need to get home from work ASAP now so that I can settle in for the evening, with popcorn and wine!

AnxietyDream · 03/09/2019 16:40

Outing myself as a Bracknell-ite here, but since it was made a seat in 1997 Bracknell has only ever been Tory. I honestly never thought I would never see it out of the conservative grasp.

Belindabelle · 03/09/2019 16:41

Very poor show from Johnson. I am disappointed as I had thought at least he would be good at the dispatch box.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 16:42

re the LDems LGBT flouncer:

Could it be that Dr Lee, qualified as a medical doctor since 1999, has noticed that people can't change sex - and dared to mention this ?

DGRossetti · 03/09/2019 16:42

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Cherrypi · 03/09/2019 16:42

He's as bad as Theresa May maybe even worse.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/09/2019 16:43

BJ is a good comic turn on quiz shows
.... and that's where his talents end

AutumnCrow · 03/09/2019 16:44

Johnson floundering badly now.

Here's Jess Phillips. Hitting him about legal statements re prorogation. He can't and won't answer her question about his people signing / refusing to sign legal statements.

ListeningQuietly · 03/09/2019 16:45

You know these threads are the best when even my family members turn to you lot rather than the MSM ;-)

woman19 · 03/09/2019 16:46

The loss of that Jess Phillip's Domestic Abuse bill is plain dangerous for us women autumn Angry

DGRossetti · 03/09/2019 16:46

Very poor show from Johnson. I am disappointed as I had thought at least he would be good at the dispatch box.

I wonder if such a feet-of-clay/emperors- new-clothes moment might have done serious damage.

I imagine team Boris are already prepping to excuse his performance with excuses, but the immediate riposte should be if he can't take the pressure of the HoC, how the fuck can he deal with international leaders ? (Which would be my first supplementary question were I doing the interview ....)